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08-24-2013 , 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by pfc_ivan12323232
Winning_TD, is this ever going to change?
The next software release which should be within the next two weeks. There will be an option for automatic timebank
08-24-2013 , 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Winning_TD
The next software release which should be within the next two weeks. There will be an option for automatic timebank
You don't get any days off till this goes live. Got it now?
08-24-2013 , 05:48 PM
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Originally Posted by grenzen
You don't get any days off till this goes live. Got it now?
HAHAHAH even when im at home im always making sure things are going ok... Never stop working....

08-24-2013 , 07:44 PM
Please be sure the next update also increases the font size in chat box and font sizes all the way around. The chat box is super super unreadable tiny and everything else is too small too.
08-24-2013 , 08:03 PM
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Originally Posted by DiamondDixie
Please be sure the next update also increases the font size in chat box and font sizes all the way around. The chat box is super super unreadable tiny and everything else is too small too.
Seriously? All the gameplay issues people have been bitching about and you are concerned with chat box font size? Got to say, I don't see this happening on the next update, so don't hold your breathe.
08-25-2013 , 01:26 AM
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Originally Posted by NoKlue1234
Seriously? All the gameplay issues people have been bitching about and you are concerned with chat box font size? Got to say, I don't see this happening on the next update, so don't hold your breathe.
Pretty sure I said ALL the fonts, the pot size is so tiny I can hardly see it when my tables are small. Can't believe you felt it necessary to scold me for asking for bigger fonts. Honestly this should be a fairly easy fix it's a font size FFS!
08-25-2013 , 02:50 AM
ya, and the box you type your bets into needs to be doubled in size. at least.
08-25-2013 , 10:22 AM
Just some general feedback as it relates to the development of the new mtt sched: TBH I think too much focus is being put on the guarantees. If a mtt is a good value, I'll play it. Don't really care about the guar. If you have a good value mtt then you'll get the players and the players will drive the prizepool which in turn will provide for an attractive guarantee.

If you are trying to be the best then I think its worthwhile to compare yourself to the best. Not saying Merge is a model in terms of how to handle guars as theirs jump all over the place on a day to day basis. (I understand that's about to change however). But the point is they're basically crushing all the guars out there and they have some pretty attractive guars. The reason for this is that they offer a really diverse schedule of quality mtts from top to bottom.

The other problem is that I'm always playing way out of my br on ACR because the best value mtts are all $27.50 and above. You're doing a better job creating more low and mid stake mtts but there still needs to be more. And without those games I don't really have the ability, nor am I really motivated/incented (based on the lack of good quality daily mtts) to focus on building one.

Same thing with rebuys. I don't play a single rebuy on ACR for reasons I've mentioned elsewhere. Just too much risk, not enough reward and a less than optimal structure. The guars are covered on the backs of ppl that end up dumping 8-10 buyins (or more). If you bust your stack any time in the second hour you either have to really gamble to try and get it back (and potentially dump a bunch of buyins) or you have to just sit there and then start the freezeout period with like 20-25bbs. Neither is a great option . And I think its only this way so that you can tout an attractive guarantee.

I say this not to be a complainer but just really to point out what I feel reasons that continue to keep ACR only as a third option when it comes to US facing poker networks, as it relates to mtt play.
08-25-2013 , 12:53 PM
This is all really true, and a great description of how i see the mtt schedule also.

Also, my take somewhat different on the guarantees, but with a view towards there use.

There is no shame in a $250 or $300 guarantee for $4 and under tournaments. You would at least get more players willing to buy in once or twice for the value.

I dont think it makes the site look cheap to have lower guarantees for the lower stakes players. That's my point in tandem with the village above, give all the different stakes players good value and they will come.

I know this is a big view and easier said then done.

Last edited by grenzen; 08-25-2013 at 01:00 PM.
08-25-2013 , 02:43 PM
Is there no Punta Cana mega satty today?
08-25-2013 , 03:12 PM
TD man sir - just a suggestion. Not having the 10pm EST $5k GTD $109 on the active schedule to register 7 hours prior to start time might be something worth looking into. Never really understood why a player couldn't register until 4-5-6 hours before the MTT. Especially on Sunday's, you guys should have it up for players to sign up.
08-25-2013 , 06:38 PM
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Originally Posted by TheVillageGrinder
The other problem is that I'm always playing way out of my br on ACR because the best value mtts are all $27.50 and above. You're doing a better job creating more low and mid stake mtts but there still needs to be more. And without those games I don't really have the ability, nor am I really motivated/incented (based on the lack of good quality daily mtts) to focus on building one.
I've seen the new Merge schedule and it crushes in this area. If WPN wants a chance at picking up good MTT traffic they need to make a complete schedule and satellite overhaul as quickly as possible.

There is honestly no reason Bovada should be picking up MTT traffic over WPN, the software is no better if not worse. The anonymous crap sucks and they have no synch'd breaks but they have a really good MTT schedule with good guarantees. That's why they're getting the traffic instead of WPN.

WPN has been saying for almost a year they were improving the software and coming out with a great MTT schedule and things are barely any better than they were last November.

Hurry up, would ya, how long does it take?
08-26-2013 , 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by IHasTehNutz
TD man sir - just a suggestion. Not having the 10pm EST $5k GTD $109 on the active schedule to register 7 hours prior to start time might be something worth looking into. Never really understood why a player couldn't register until 4-5-6 hours before the MTT. Especially on Sunday's, you guys should have it up for players to sign up.
Done!! Now showing 12hrs in advance!!
08-26-2013 , 01:30 PM
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Originally Posted by DiamondDixie
Please be sure the next update also increases the font size in chat box and font sizes all the way around. The chat box is super super unreadable tiny and everything else is too small too.
Unfortunately Diamond there are bigger fish to fry at the moment... But on this note i did ask if we could have bigger font in the lobby and to me as is easy as this sounds it is a massive job.. But good things are on the way!
08-26-2013 , 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Winning_TD
Done!! Now showing 12hrs in advance!!
That's better - appreciated!

Now, if there was only something you guys could do about the lite-brite color scheme of tourney listings...I get you want to differentiate between MTT's and satty's and such. But I don't doubt a couple folks miss those bigger GTD's when they skip over the hot pink coloring ($50k, Wednesday $15k, for example).

Maybe a simple 3-color system? Black, red, and blue? Basic, functional, and guaranteed no more seizures or headaches looking up tourneys.
08-26-2013 , 01:36 PM
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Originally Posted by DiamondDixie
I've seen the new Merge schedule and it crushes in this area.
And this, +10,000.
08-26-2013 , 01:41 PM
I dunno but last night 3.5K for $5 draws a lot of folks (got really deep last night brag ) why not have more of these sprinkled during the week as I have to agree with the other poster that teh $27 (while great value) is out my br too. But I play that sunday game each week (wish it started earlier than 8pm) but it just seems youll bring more people to the site if you had more mtts like that during the week. Even 2K for $5 would draw nicely. Yesterday had over 640 people

Last edited by BackDownSouth; 08-26-2013 at 01:50 PM.
08-26-2013 , 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by TheVillageGrinder
Just some general feedback as it relates to the development of the new mtt sched: TBH I think too much focus is being put on the guarantees. If a mtt is a good value, I'll play it. Don't really care about the guar. If you have a good value mtt then you'll get the players and the players will drive the prizepool which in turn will provide for an attractive guarantee.

If you are trying to be the best then I think its worthwhile to compare yourself to the best. Not saying Merge is a model in terms of how to handle guars as theirs jump all over the place on a day to day basis. (I understand that's about to change however). But the point is they're basically crushing all the guars out there and they have some pretty attractive guars. The reason for this is that they offer a really diverse schedule of quality mtts from top to bottom.

The other problem is that I'm always playing way out of my br on ACR because the best value mtts are all $27.50 and above. You're doing a better job creating more low and mid stake mtts but there still needs to be more. And without those games I don't really have the ability, nor am I really motivated/incented (based on the lack of good quality daily mtts) to focus on building one.

Same thing with rebuys. I don't play a single rebuy on ACR for reasons I've mentioned elsewhere. Just too much risk, not enough reward and a less than optimal structure. The guars are covered on the backs of ppl that end up dumping 8-10 buyins (or more). If you bust your stack any time in the second hour you either have to really gamble to try and get it back (and potentially dump a bunch of buyins) or you have to just sit there and then start the freezeout period with like 20-25bbs. Neither is a great option . And I think its only this way so that you can tout an attractive guarantee.

I say this not to be a complainer but just really to point out what I feel reasons that continue to keep ACR only as a third option when it comes to US facing poker networks, as it relates to mtt play.

Listen your an active poster and i read all your comments even if i disagree with some of the things you write.. Not an easy one to please. But clearly you understand things.

We do agree on one massive point. Guarantees should not be the driving force to bring players to a site. My opinion is yes, create a better schedule, a diverse schedule with good structures and the players should come. I was actually saying yesterday that the 50k tourney should be able to reach 100k every week, if the same players play then it will make it, so what should be the difference? but not everyone shares the same opinion.

Im not saying that we are going to be the best site in the world but to be able to cover daily 6k, 7k guarantees is my goal for the beginning. I will get there because i am determined to make it so that players like playing.. The next release imo will help bring in some regs.

Keep the posts coming, i enjoy reading them
08-26-2013 , 02:30 PM
That's cool. Just let me know what we disagree about. Then I'll try and convince you I'm right Kidding. But in reality, I'm glad you are listening. As it relates to disagreeing with what I say, its all good. I'd just like to know where we disagree so that I can understand where you are coming from because in all honesty its sorta hard to see your vision for what the mtt sched is evolving towards.
08-26-2013 , 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by IHasTehNutz
That's better - appreciated!

Now, if there was only something you guys could do about the lite-brite color scheme of tourney listings...I get you want to differentiate between MTT's and satty's and such. But I don't doubt a couple folks miss those bigger GTD's when they skip over the hot pink coloring ($50k, Wednesday $15k, for example).

Maybe a simple 3-color system? Black, red, and blue? Basic, functional, and guaranteed no more seizures or headaches looking up tourneys.
In a previous post along time ago this is on the to do list. I just dont want my guys to have to change all the colours now then once things are changed to have to do it all again...
08-26-2013 , 06:45 PM
I tend to disagree about the guarantees, while they might not "should" be a driving force they are and they are even for many regs and especially for the recreational players.

Personally I prefer guarantees because I want to be sure I'm getting the best value for my buy in. I don't want to allot screen space and time to a tournament that I have no idea how big the prizepool will be. I also don't want to spend over 1% of the prizepool on a buy in, in other words I'm not giving up the screen space or buy in for an $11 $500 gtd but I have no problem with an $11 $1K. This may be nitty but as I said I want to know the value of the tournament when I buy in.

Merge realizes the importance of guarantees and so does PokerStars. All MTTs on Merge on the new schedule have guarantees and bigger guarantees create bigger fields. You can just look at 2 tournaments with the same buy in, similar time of day and the same structure but with different gtds and see how many more runners the higher gtd gets.

To say "Guarantees should not be the driving force to bring players to a site. My opinion is yes, create a better schedule, a diverse schedule with good structures and the players should come." is basically saying we (as in WPN) aren't willing to cover the overlay that will happen in the beginning to pull the traffic. Because trust me you can create the best schedule ever and with really low guarantees you just won't get the traffic. While you may get some regs you won't get the recreational player and you won't get all the regs.

A good example is the $5 $300 gtd you run every night and then on Wednesday at the same time it's the $5 2.5K. If guarantees aren't a driving force then why does the $300 gtd get hardly any runners and the $2.5K nearly always meets the gtd. There is a little difference in the structure but that isn't the reason.

Last edited by DiamondDixie; 08-26-2013 at 07:03 PM.
08-26-2013 , 09:09 PM
I think you're kind of misunderstanding what I mean. Or perhaps I wasn't very clear.

guarantees are important. Didn't mean to imply that they weren't. But, you have to get to the point where setting the guarantee at a certain level is immaterial. This will happen when you are offering quality mtts at various buyin amts but mostly focused at low and midstake levels.

guars are important to Stars and Merge, but they pretty much crush all of theirs in the key mtts. Getting to that point takes time and it starts by offering mtts with good value, regardless of the guarantee. Then the guar will be a moving target for a while until you get to the point like Merge has where you can continually and consistently set good, aggressive guars but know that you are a favorite to crush them.

No company/network is going to say here it is and set guars that they have no chance of making. And I really don't want them to try and do it that way cause what you get is a relatively high buyin as compared to the guar-$109 5k-no thanks. Then add in a meh structure and I'm not going to bother with it.

So I guess my point was if guars are going to be prioritized, or more succinctly THE priority initially then it will likely result in an mtt schedule with little or mediocre value.
08-26-2013 , 10:14 PM
Can we just try the $150 15k on Wednesday and Thursday?? Traffic is equal if not greater on Thursday. Better yet, Thursday $200 20k. You need 100 runners and it wont be hard to get with reentry and satis
08-26-2013 , 11:34 PM
I know I'm dreaming with the above post
08-27-2013 , 12:20 AM
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Originally Posted by TheVillageGrinder
I think you're kind of misunderstanding what I mean. Or perhaps I wasn't very clear.

guarantees are important. Didn't mean to imply that they weren't. But, you have to get to the point where setting the guarantee at a certain level is immaterial. This will happen when you are offering quality mtts at various buyin amts but mostly focused at low and midstake levels.

guars are important to Stars and Merge, but they pretty much crush all of theirs in the key mtts. Getting to that point takes time and it starts by offering mtts with good value, regardless of the guarantee. Then the guar will be a moving target for a while until you get to the point like Merge has where you can continually and consistently set good, aggressive guars but know that you are a favorite to crush them.

No company/network is going to say here it is and set guars that they have no chance of making. And I really don't want them to try and do it that way cause what you get is a relatively high buyin as compared to the guar-$109 5k-no thanks. Then add in a meh structure and I'm not going to bother with it.

So I guess my point was if guars are going to be prioritized, or more succinctly THE priority initially then it will likely result in an mtt schedule with little or mediocre value.
I see what you mean and I understood where you were coming from. You definitely make a good point and I don't want to see high guarantees with little hope of them being made.

I think WPN is really missing out like Merge did for awhile having different MTTs and fluctuating gtds on various nights with little rhyme or reason. I could be wrong but I think people like to see the same MTTs and same gtds every night with some special Saturday and Sunday MTTs with bigger gtds. The way it's been done and is still being done just makes little sense.

It just makes sense that if an MTT will meet the gtd one weeknight it will the next. All the dailies should also run on Saturday and Sunday with the other games as additions. That is what I get least of all, it's not like there are that many MTTs each night yet on the weekends they remove the 10K, why?

      
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