exactly....but when "weighing" the pros and cons, positives and negatives, PLEASE make sure you're considering the long term effects. its easy to justify things if you only consider the immediate impact and effects....

and you make a great point about how re-entry tournaments create larger GTDs/Prize Pools which in turn attract more recreational player(they love the chance to turn a small investment into a big score). its a fine line to walk and there is certainly no black/white answers here....

i'm only getting the discussion going and offering my opinions/suggestions...not saying I'm even right. just stuff to think about.

Honestly, though, in conjunction with the super flat payouts on WPN, I don't think they should remove unlimited re-entries... I mean at some point I can't play on WPN if it's not profitable for me. I don't even think I have a big edge in the first place (or maybe I'm a long term loser who has gotten lucky in one tournament lol,) as most people on WPN aren't terrible players, in fact many are far ahead of me.

I understand what you're getting at, and I think unlimited re-entries with a top heavy payout can be a huge problem on smaller networks, but honestly - I don't think I have the expertise to give a good, justified opinion. I know what I'd prefer, but I'm honest enough to say that I have no idea if unlimited re-entries is going to kill the player pool in the long term. I doubt it, but I don't actually know.

I'm becoming less and less a fan of re-entries but tbh the play in them is much better on WPN than Merge, relating to just crazy shovefest I mean. That said, a lot of players are staked and most backers (those with any sense anyway) limit the number of re-entries their horses are allowed. They also want their horses to only re-enter with 25 or more BB so I think the biggest deterrent is that the non-staked players with big bankrolls even get an edge over the staked players and definitely over the recreational players.

What the TD said about fish going broke is definitely true, it's super hard even for winning players who aren't backed and are trying to build/re-build a bankroll not to go broke playing the re-entries on Merge. I find it much easier to at least stay around b/e or better on Winning.

All that said my biggest issue with the re-entries is the ridiculously long time you can late reg/re-enter. The games are running so long for the amount of money to be made that it really screws with ones hourly rate, imo. On both Merge and Winning the late reg/re-entry runs so late you often would have 10bb or less to start with.

I really wish both Winning would cut this time down in most MTTs. If the time was cut down I don't see the need to limit the reentries.

Now to the new schedule changes, WTF?!?! Today there were no sats for the 12.5K or the 15K or any of the others except the 50K. Also while I'm really happy with the new additions why'd you take away the early 6r 2K?

Please add some $5r sats to the $50K/$100K with a 3 to 5 seats guaranteed. I'm pretty sure it would meet 3 to 5 seats. Also have some that have 10 minute levels instead of all turbos. In my opinion the $5r would get more players because you'll get the one bullet fish as well as regs. I really hate those $22s.

Also I agree about having a bigger stack in the hypers, 1500 or even 1000 would be much better than 600. Also hypers don't need to have more than 10 to 15 minutes late reg.

This is true but with re entries its gonna just give the regs a change to win money faster. Most of the stronger players are gonna be able to still be plus EV reggin with 20bbs so it turns into more of a shove -reshove game that the grinders will be better at.

I'm not a big fan of the blind structures. IMO the 15 min blinds for normal tourneys go too slow, while the turbo 5 min blinds go too fast. Turbo tourneys turn into an all in fest after a certain period.

It would be nice to have a structure where the time for blind levels progressively increase. For instance, starting with the first 5 levels being 5-7 minutes, next 5 levels 7-10 minutes and so on until you reach a max time of 15 minutes which the rest of the tourney will be played at.

Just an FYI, I see that you changed a bunch of the hyper turbos to 5%, but you missed some. When you get a chance double check, I was about to enter into one when I noticed it was 4+.40

2k rebuy today.. 5k addon (ie 3.3bbs) ...blinds at 1500/750.. wonder if this was one of the better structures ive been hearing so much about?

With regards to this. If you buy in last min, rebuy and add on you get 10bbs.

Agree with the turbo structures - disagree with your point on the normal 15 minute blinds. O for one love the opportunity to play actual poker and not have to be rushed by blinds or starting with low chip stacks. I'm probably in the minority on this one, but alas - how I feel for what it might be worth.

I agree, having some 15 minute tournaments is a good thing. If someone doesn't want to play that long, there are a ton of other tournaments that aren't 15 minute levels...

what happened to the double or nothigns....they are basically allgone again? site problems i guess? i hope?

by the way is there any plan to have these on demand tournaments with higher buy ins...like 500 gtd on demand $5-10 buy in?...personally i think ACR could give a little back this week to the players that suffered thru the last week of issues and are still loyal players, maybe have some of these on demands with huge prize pools and super low buy ins so we know therell be an overlay...or just some $1k freerolls or sumtin along those lines....it woudl go a long way to getting players back and even attracting new ones, who were deterred by all the technical problems and decided to open accounts other places

Where the f did all these ****ty-nitty sng regs come from? Im guessing the "on demand" tournies attracted new people?!

They sit there and fold everyhand....I hope the games dont turn into that.

Im not sure if you were trying to be funny, or if this really is your selling point?

If the tourney schedule that you have this week is set in stone, its very disappointing.

Lets start with the $2500 guarantee that starts at 5. (all times posted will be est). Why would this start at 5? You are losing players from the west coast. Yes it has a 3 hour register period (which is ridiculous for ANY tournament) but its not worth it to buy in with the blinds this high and people having stacks of 40K or so when you buy in 2.5 hours later.

This should be a 7pm start time and a two hour reg period max.

The 7pm 2K rebuy now has 10 min blinds instead of 15 and a 2 hour reg instead of 1. Why??

This tournament was perfect the way it was. Now at the add on, you are lucky to have 10 blinds?? No thank you. This tournament needs to go back to its original structure. The GTD of 2K was still being met nightly.

You now have bumped the nightly 10K to 12.5K and made it a 3 hour reg instead of 2.

Do you realize this tournament does not end till 5AM at times?

Before it would end at 3am, not going to be worth playing for those who have to get up to work and dont want to bubble the FT at 4am to win $75 dollars.

You took away all the micro tournies? People loved those. Its a great tourney for beginners to start and for Multi tablers to fill up their schedule.

These are just a few examples.

I try to email ACR directly but I dont get any answers..just a generic..."we appreciate your business..I will pass this along"

I look forward to a response from you.

Thank you

+1000!! Well said!! Totally agree with everything said and why cant we have more then 1 tourney lobby open at a time when playing multiple tounaments?

Im not trying to be funny at all. I understand that some people dont like the 3 hours late reg. But we still overlay so when people say 2 hours late reg is sufficient, its actually not. We want to give great prize pools everyday and guarantee as much money as possible. I will agree with the micros and i will take full responsibility for this, i have not put them back up, not on purpose. I will make sure that some are back in the lobby today. We do have micro on demand tournies which should supplement for alot of the micros we had before.

As you can imagine with everything that has happened. This is not an excuse but i have got so many different things to deal with that i just cannot do everything in the same day.

Just go along with what we are doing for now, good things are coming and i really think from a players point of view that the tournaments are really good right now. You get alot of play, not even close to a shove fest (yes if you buy in last minute, you still get 10bbs and you need to double) They play really deep from what i have been watching. We have recieved alot more positive feedback than negative with regards to the schedule and structures. Unfortunately you can not please everyone, as much as i try to its just not possible. Forget any server problems we have had, this site is definately on the up and we are offering great prizes daily. The more popular it gets the better things can be. From a reg point of view its a very grindable schedule. From a recreational players point of view. A big score is very possible daily.

But still, keep the feedback coming as its always food for thought!

Multi lobbies are on the way. Again cant give a specific date but it will be soon. Its very important to me!

lol it is amazing how much this tilts me. plz fix it


having said that, is this new schedule set in stone at least in terms of the games offered. 22 4k 6m 55 5k 109 15k 27.50 12.5k
actually worth playing those from america. also imo better to have dropped the 2nd 109 in order to boost the prize pool in the first one.




but yeah. servers. plz. still really want to play on this network. debit card is too sick.


also agree that the structures are pretty awesome as they are. 5k stacks & 15 min levels really make a difference at the ft and in later stages. avg stack at bovada ft's is like 13 bigs.

He made a good point about that mtt ending at 5am. I found out the hard way when I final tabled it (hidden brag post obv) recently. The sting of having to leave for work in 3 hours was slightly reduced by the 1600$ i pocketed for 2nd, but suffice it to say I'm not playing it again on week night.

I'd say just go with whatever guars you can secure with 2 hours of late reg. 3 is absurd for a regular weekday mtt. And if you won't do that, then in the VERY least, start the 12.5k earlier. a 9pm start time with a 3 hour late reg is just ridic.

I know you can't please everyone and that should not be your goal. But you can make some common sense decisions that would make the schedule more playable. Moving that starting time of the 12.5k up by at least an hour, perhaps two, would make sense.

First and most importantly, thank you for a response.

I am sure you can't answer every question for business reasons but I do appreciate some feedback.

Maybe help me understand from your side of things, why does starting the $2500 at 5pm est benefit your company instead of 6 or 7?

The same question with the new 12.5K at 9pm est instead of 7 or 8 est?

Why does the 7pm 2K 6r have to have 10 min blinds if you are going to make it 2 hours late reg? That ALWAYS hit the mark, correct? Even after the hour like it was? I think 2 hour reg and 15 min blinds is a compromise.


Also either you or someone put the $300G and 1Kg back up at 8est yesterday and that was great. Thank you and hope it continues to be up.

And yes..multi tablers need multi lobbies. (we will push and nag for that till we get it. )

again..thank you for your time.

For my own selfish reasons I hope they don't do this but I have to agree, it does make sense. I'm regularly up until 5 AM and I get out of class a few days at 9, but it's not that big of a deal I try to satellite in when I play this tournament, which isn't often.

Anyway, I don't think 3 Hour late registration is absurd EXCEPT on tournaments that have an add on.

Personally, I WANT a few tournaments that are going to last 6-7 hours. I also want shorter tournaments, but really WPN needs to have both.

My two cents on all this, for what it's worth:

The tournaments with 3 hour late reg - it has to be in place, so it's not even worth really arguing about. Higher GTD's means that is the trade off. And while it might not make sense for you to buy-in at 2 hours and 45 minutes, people do it. WPN didn't make these changes based on the tournaments growing to the point of increasing. They did it seemingly because of the server issues and wanted to give players a little more in the kitty, so to speak. Well - they are a business and if they are going to keep this schedule (or something similar), they'll have a 3 hour late reg and that is all there is to it.

Next - Two hour late reg for a rebuy is a little silly. Rebuy/addons have to be x min blinds, an hour of play, an add-on time, and then play on. You shouldn't be gimmicking rebuy tourneys any more than they already are. If that wasn't hitting the GTD, then lower the GTD a bit or take the loss.

Next - the 5k starting stacks and 15 minute blinds in a lot of the schedule now is AWESOME. This of course is just my personal opinion, but you can actually play the game a bit under this umbrella and while it may not suit the multi-tablers, it suits those of us middle of the roaders who enjoy the game and want to play it well. I know I'll probably get a little beat up for this (it's okay, I can handle it...lol), but regs and hardcore multi-tablers are not the only ones playing, and some us enjoy playing the game instead of computing the game like a lot of 10-15-20 tablers do.

As far as the $12.5k ending late...well, if you're really effected by that, chances are you're making plenty to justify either calling in sick, taking an extra hour or two (depending on job), or just toughen up and get through the day. I work from home, so it doesn't effect me in the slightest. But I never used to mind shortened sleep if I was making money. This complaint really doesn't make much sense to me...

Finally, you can't just arbitrarily say "change late reg to two hours" without having an idea of the effect it has on the bottom line. A few more dollars in overlays might mean a cutback or two someplace. Even if it's just a handful of players coming in on that third hour, it might make the difference between the tournament losing money, breaking even, or even turning a profit. I know most companies offer online poker to get people to the casino, where most of the dough is made. But that doesn't mean your poker offerings can bleed money forever. Take a look at Revolution and how much they lose on a weekly basis from overlays. If it weren't for them somehow continuing to get deposits, they'd be out of business.

For the bolded part, I think you're spot on. The play has been great in these tournaments. Sure, around hour 3 there are some people that are shoving b/c they rebuy really short, but that's not a problem, and it's nowhere near a shove fest.

For the underlined, italicized part, does that mean that whatever problem you guys were having is resolved? I mean obviously if you just think they're resolved you can't say so, but can you say if they did something different this time - or anything at all? Server's been good for like 2 days now, I'd hate to enter into a tournament either tonight after school work's done or in a couple days (busy week for me, really depends how swamped I am) and have it crash again.

Understatement for sure.