Or does anyone else on WPN constantly get raped on the turn and river with 2 and 3 outters like I have been as of late to the point of absurdity. I have had cold streaks online before but this is a joke.

I'm not a pro and definitely don't claim Godliness as far as my play goes, but I do fairly well in the live tournaments and the occasional live cash games I get to play in. I have done ok in the past on here and cashed out on WPN a few times, but as of late these unreal turn/rivers have destroyed my bankroll and any confidence that real hands hold up on this network. I really just can't get over how many times all in HU post flop I have my opponent dominated and get taken.

Would love to hear any input, stories, or feel free to brag about how awesome you are and slap me around for whining like a lil ho. I'm down

ok rant over

you are far from alone... seriously feels like they flipped the doomswitch on my account since the sng promo started

Everyone I speak with feels this way. I'm not exactly sure why, but I have a few ideas. (Assuming everything is on the up and up.)

#1. Many people come to WPN to put in more volume than they typical play. Beats seem to come fast and furious with larger-than-normal volume.

#2. I think not seeing the hole cards when you win may have some effect on how we perceive things. We never get to see when the opponent missed because we didn't see his cards (assuming we weren't all-in early). However, every time we lose, the cards get flipped and we see the beat.

I don't know...just some ideas. I've looked at my all-in EV stuff and there's nothing ridiculous there. I'm unaware of other ways to check things.

haha Qtip is probably right but sucks EV tracker doesn't even work for sngs on WPN

I think what makes most people thing they are running bad are a few things....

1. As Qtip pointed out they are seeing bad beats more often because of the speed of play.
2. They are not accounting for good luck so there perception is screwed. If you fade a flush draw or have AK hold vs AQ you are lucky because your opponent had equity.
3. They are running bad

Yes.

You should have seen my PLO session yesterday haha. Granted it's PLO, but wow. Got it in top set over set and lost to quads back to back hands, flopped boat over boat and lost on 5 separate occasions, just gross. Running good ftw!

Of course I also missed every 12+ outer I had which didn't help.

I don't believe in such things, but it is 1 wild RNG..

Thanks MamaCoolJ much apreesh your insight.

#2 I definitely agree with. #1 not so much

Like I said I'm a rec player and stick primarily to the MTTs and S&Gs and never play more then 2 to 3 tables at the same time. On the cash tables which I know is your sweet spot as a beast killer, I feel the hands and positions tend to be more loose (obv. depending on if you know the opponents as well) and I know you play like 20+ tables at the same time with a lot of players seeing flops so beats will definitely be fast and furious for you and those you speak with there doing the same thing.

In these MTTs and S&Gs I play, more then 80% of the time post flop HU all in I have my opponent crushed and win maybe 20% of those pots. I don't play a lot of pots, wait for good position and solid hands and still have these results which is very frustrating.

Yes have some

The longer you play poker, the more likely it is you will play through periods of negative variance that will seem completely absurd and almost impossibly long in duration.

All you can really do is continue to play within your bankroll, dropping down stakes if necessary and practice good fundamentals. If you've lost confidence in your game then it's probably a good idea to take a break and let your mental bruises heal.

If you are playing well, things will turn up again. Just gotta roll with the punches.

Fookin A braa...not that i wish bad on others, but I'm glad its not just me being sandblasted up my arse.

Yepp that looks about standard...eww

1st congrats on your nice run in 100K...soo close yet soo far away.

I feel about #1 this is based more towards the beast killing cash players. As far as #2 I do account for the very few, far and between spots where I'm behind and suck out. I don't play a lot of pots and I try to stay out of those spots, but it seems like those bad spots against me win constantly. I understand the EV with JJ calling vs AA and the J coming out. I guess I just see bad play on the tables I play rewarded more then the good and it aggravates me something fierce.

You're also seeing more bad beats because having reentries rewards people for taking extra high variance lines. The fear of losing your tournament life is now gone because you can constantly get back in. Unless I have a huge stack I just go balls to the wall with every good draw or anytime I smell a hint of weakness. If you bink or they fold you have a ton of chips and if you lose you're back to square 1. Unlimited reentries is the worst thing to ever happen to online poker tournaments.

Well I started playing holdem in 2002 and enjoyed the good ole days of Stars and FT when online poker life was gravy. I have seen BIG swings going both ways, but no bad swing as gross and sickening as what I've seen over the past few months on this network.

Bankroll management is always priority, but unfortunately the lower the stakes the worse the play is and even worse beats. I will never stop playing, but I guess I need to play somewhere else. Need to move to NJ

I def. agree. I dont play the rebuy/add-on tourneys, but even the ones I do with the 3 hour reg its almost the same difference.

I just want to add that I've played ~50,000 DONs and another million+ cash hands... what I've experienced since dec 1st on wpn rivals the worst swings I've ever had. Never in my entire life have I had to make 4 deposits in 1 week...and I'm playing $5-15 DONs where I'm certain I have a ~5% ROI mass tabling...lets account for added regs and make that 2% and I should still be winning. I'll update if things turn around.

I've found that I don't really notice bad runs or maybe I don't feel the weight of them when I am adequately bankrolled.
Also the way this contest is set up in part, has brought grinders more so then rec players. Or at least the grinder have stayed and the Rec players give it a try for a day or two, see there is no chance and give up.
The sngs I played on WPN were so ridiculously soft before that I thought of playing more of them, but they rarely got off. Now they get off, but Id say it went from maybe 2 grinders total to 4 or 5 (in a 9 man) That make a huge difference too imo.

Well you are def playing more then I am, but I'm playing DoNs and the occasional MTTs too. I guess for you on the bright side it's been only disgustingly absurd for a lil over a week. I'm going on over 5+ weeks of just insanely laughable rips that occur on the regular. Hope it turns around for you. Beat the junk

Yes of course having a padded bankroll makes all the difference. I'm not trying to rank in the contest, just trying to play holdem in the forms that I enjoy and pick up some coin. I agree the S&Gs were soft before this promo and I enjoyed them (when they would run), but like I said getting the action against donks with my chips all in solid as of late getting boinked left and right. When I'm in the ballpark average of $100 in my bankroll give or take and like to play $5-10 buyins its bye bye in a few days with these stupid reeedick runs. Going to try Party Poker NJ on Thurs

GL out there

running terribly lately too. It happens. I can't win a big pot to save my life. If you play a hand with me you're probably gonna win it. It's not just that I'm losing, it's how early I'm getting beat. I don't think I've made it out of the re-entry period for a couple weeks now. Im not really a lag player so I tend to hang around in tourneys. I can't even do that. I get it in and I lose pretty much everytime. Poker sucks. Variance I guess, what are you gonna do?

Dude I never believed in these online sites completely. Ive always had my conspiracy theories. That's why I never play for big money. Like why are there only 9 person tables? Why not 10? Something is up

" Like why are there only 9 person tables? Why not 10? Something is up"

Wow, I never thought about that. I think I'll....... nup, never mind... I really don't want to think about that at all.

OMG so true. Kind of like how they put 10 hot dogs in a pack but you can only buy 8 buns per pack. WTF do they do with the other 2 buns?!?!?! Why I obviously try to limit my hot dog consumption.