They should only refund what they confiscated.

Personally I think they should be on the hook for alot more since those accounts were brought up to WPNs attention long before they were finally banned but at this point I would be happy with anything better than the networks current position.

But no network does that. And it is certainly impossible for any network to refund players for simply playing at tables were colluders have played.

Keep in mind too that colluders only have a very small edge at any table. In order to win they have to overcome the disadvantages that softplaying puts on them.

You should also realize that it takes a certain sample size before a network can fairly seize an account.

So what do they do with the money they confiscate when they catch colluders?

All they say is that they cant reveal that information. Clearly it is not going back to the victims as WPN would let that be known as it is a positive for the site.

In games with already small edges you should realize this is a huge problem.

just had an interesting chat with support from Pokerhost. They told me that if their security department catches a cheat and we report the tourny ids to them Pokerhost WILL give refunds. My other chats were done with ACR support (where my account was cheated). So I am assuming if my games had been played on Pokerhost I could expect refunds but since I was on ACR at the time I guess I am out of luck. Not really sure why two skins would have different outlooks on this issue but at least it is a step in the right direction.

Btw SantaCruz you can quit being pro-site now ok. I am not going to go the route and call you a schill but I can see why people call you that. These issues affect everyone, including you. Let the real men do their work and make the online environment a better place ok.

That's not the point I was making.

Talk is cheap. Even PokerStars can't afford to give reimbursements to all players who have played against cheats.

You're dumb shill accusations are getting really old. A poster like yourself who doesn't have a clue shouldn't be throwing stones.

Does this seem a bit odd to anyone else? Someone reported some sketchy play between the two earlier itt

Are you referring to the players you have 116 games against or the locked accounts? If they are accounts aciabowl, wasted potential, golden eagles then at least two accounts have been locked for collusion.

We are all familiar with new posters on 2+2 who have little knowledge and no experience, acting like they know everything and that everything should be done their way. We have all seen this hundreds of times. Are you going to tell us you're a member of mensa next? That you resort to all the name calling in these threads just shows everyone that you really have nothing worth listening to.

Trying to careful craft a sentence so that you are referring to me a shill but leaving room that you say that you didn't actually call me a shill is a game that just doesn't play well here.

Collusion 100% going on with the first locked account for sure and some of it is beyond obvious.

The stats you aren't seeing is 520 games,

I never posted my video publically because I was going to maybe edit it down a bit or add in more examples but for some of those that have seen the video they have agreed with me completely regarding the collusion going on for account with at least one or more accounts.

If you filter just that account using advanced settings going off just games this year you will see:

Did you send it to WPN? Looking at the snclb they're either taking a break or were banned late Friday.

There seems to be a third account but it hasn't played in a while.

No, these are different players. The top player I believe is colluding with the first locked account.

There are other reason to believe they are colluding besides that fwiw

Their is at least one or two more accounts I suspect.

I never sent it in to WPN because I was still gathering evidence since some people claim you need all his hud data which I don't have because I've avoided playing with these accounts as much as possible.

When the CEO himself made a few comments along the lines of "if you feel cheating is going on don't play in them games" it sort of discouraged me to continue as if it was a lost cause but now that they have done something about these other guys I will gather more information, edit it down, and go from there.

they might be banned, however there are two new accounts that i noticed played the bubbles the exact same way. i have yet to see them get it all in against one another, i have however seen them keep each others stacks topped up. i will pm you their screenames, dont waste your time trying to scope them though, both of their scopes are blocked, imagine that..

yea hearing the ceo say that was disheartening to say the least. players not getting refunds for past collusion (cyal8r) just adds insult to injury. i doubt people want to play dirty $50+ games knowing they have slim chances at getting refunded. its gotten so bad i asked live support if security was hiring because they seem very incompetent when it comes to picking up the signs of DoN collusion.

any chance you guys can put a list of any current players you feel are possibly colluding.

All of these are 100% certainty

Flopnuts6969 - NoTurnUnStoned1 (MId -High stakes)

AcnupuH4uk - Cheapleader - DrKronos ( Mainly High stakes)

POTDRAW - JumpingJacks1 - BallsofSteel - Chootem - Thundercat69 (Low to mid stakes)

At this point it's pretty much safe to assume there are players colluding in every DON due to WPN's incompetency.

Hrpes,


It's best not to post names ITT as to not alert the cheaters.

Also AcnupuH4uk was also colluding with oddspotodds and TPEHEP, but his new current ones are Cheapleader and DrKronos. Cheapleader is from the same city as oddspotdds too

Oh sorry, I was responding to rubbers. My mistake

Honestly though, I think it might be ok to do that so the other players won't give them action. I was observing nuts and noturn the other day, and it was beyond obvious, yet I noticed a lot of regs sitting with them. No matter how good you are, it's clearly -ev to play against decent colluders, so I wonder why they still give them action...?

Well, since Herpes put it out there...I sent this to td and rep:



I broke it down for them player by player but I'm sure everyone here is fully capable of seeing how ridiculous this is.

Also sent a separate list of players but it all seems pointless.

It's like every cheater flocked to WPN lol

Their are pros and cons to outing the people publically.

Your point to prevent people from giving them action makes sense in theory but not enough people are going to see this thread and some regs don't seem to care. These regs are either clueless to not see the collusion or probably have this strange theory where they feel they can at least break even in the games so they play them to get leaderboard points but if you are play at $50 to $100 games the leaderboard value over say 50 to 100 DONs a week isn't going to be worth it and could be extremely -EV to ones bottom line.

As for the cons of outing cheaters in here I'd rather not say what they are but some people can probably figure them out if they really think about it.