The fact you don't see your wrong-doing or even the understand of what you are perpetuating due to your ignorance is honestly astonishing. Maybe if you decide to have a logical train of thought, rather than just spewing out ignorance comments such as "If you add up all the suspected accounts he hasn't played a game without one"

Or "Here is a hand where the bb is sitting out."

Your arguments are so arbitrary and based off actions that can be attributed to a multitude of different reasons behind the action.

The Majority of your attempts to find collusion in this thread is some-what comical, although there are exceptions, example "Flopnuts6969" and "NoTurnUnStoned1", These two have a very high chance of collusion.

In closing, Please for **** sakes, if you actually think something is suspicious, take a minute to investigate, rather than just spewing out arbitrary arguments. (mostly referring to Banned4Lyfe)

Like who?

Dalsue214
also this applies to Banned4lyfe

Your entire argument comes from someone asking for cash-outs on the site that are possibly the same person or a group of friends. So because they are a group of friends that are profitable, and may play the same games you assume collusion? *facepalm*
You've been provided 0 hand histories, 0 proof of altered winnings with these players in their games, nor have you offered any logical reasoning why you'd assume they are colluding besides they contact the same person for a cash-out and play the same game.

BeerBottlez

Personally I've played many games with you so far You seem competent but you lack some understand of the game especially when the bubble comes.
I can respect your decision to decline a lobby that has 2 suspicious names that you may not know. But lets look at this in an unbiased fashion..
They both could easily live in the same time-zone, and have relatively similar schedules, meaning they both could work Monday through Friday jobs that are 9-5. Hell they could even be friends, But as someone that has played with friends in the past in the same SnG; You'd have to be moronic to cheat, not only will they see the same IP address but they will see altered game-play. Personally when I played vs my friends I actually had more incentive to knock them out, because then I had bragging rights for that day or week.

Dron3

You can tell this player lacks any conceptual idea of how this game is profitably played, especially when it's near the bubble.
When he starts posting hands in the 15/30 blind level claiming collusion, you've proven you have no understanding of what you are looking for. *facepalm* The people you are claiming cheated are both not the best players to say it nicely. Brando123n Isn't even a profitable player and has a -7% ROI, and SniperXXX is -30% ROI with -1.4k overall..
If you guys actually knew what you should be looking for I might take you somewhat serious in your attempts to find these "colluders"

In closing, most of you guys are just trying to find excuses for why you aren't winning games you feel you should. So rather than spending the time running simulations or asking for help from better players on 2+2, you instead try to create a pitch-forking thread about players you can't even begin to conceptualize if they are legitimate or if they are colluding. Just ****ing stop!!!!

First off, your paragraph directed at beerbottlez contains nothing more than a thinly veiled brag that you are better at SNGS than him. The argument "that's so dumb why would they do that" is one of the worst arguments ever. History has shown over and over again that anyone with the opportunity will try to cheat.

Second, two friends living in the same area playing the same sitandgos..definitely needs to be investigated. regardless whether there is collusion or not, a simple look into their playing history needs to be done to maintain the integrity of the accounts.

Its obvious there has been collusion to some degree as accounts have been banned.

First off welcome to posting although it's very ironic you come around now after the news breaks about DONs going away when clearly you were a lurker for a while but just sign up today to give your opinion.

You haven't played enough games to know anything about me but I'll say I haven't adjusted well enough to the 8 mans and I've also ran terribly this year. I have no ego here and could go on about stuff I felt lots of people have leaks in as they could about me but it's irrelevant to the discussion.

When the same two guys register right behind one another lets say account #1 plays more and account #2 registers right behind account #1 in a large number say 80% of the same DONs but #2 rarely plays without #1 being in the game it's a big tell that something is probably sketchy regardless of what people want to believe.

When I say two accounts could be the same guy playing it don't take a genius to figure out how. You could have one on black chip poker and one on bet coin with one account using the persons cable internet and the other using either a different computer with VPN or using something like a tethered 4G phone internet.

All the scenarios you are describing I mean sure it can happen sometimes but not as frequent as it does with certain accounts. There are a lot of people that don't want to beat their close friends out of money in a poker game. People may do this sure more in a live venue but aren't likely trying to do this so much with really close friends in an online platform although it happens from time to time.

If I could avoid playing my buddy who I know is great in a DON for example I would do my best to avoid clashing with him which for me is staying out of his games and him staying out of mine for obvious reasons.

Everything I've done is simply because I hate cheaters no matter if they are bad ones or not the fact is if they are cheating it's just wrong and they should be punished for it as in banned and have there funds taken away.

Some people are posting here because they want DONs gone because they favor other games or just don't see the point but that isn't me. I want to be able to play them in a fair environment.

The DONs are being removed now and I definitely won't miss them. I played them for a bit but eventually got sick and tired of the structure...and SNG's in general...and have been playing nothing but cash games lately. I'll still hop into an MTT now and then but the focus is definitely cash and I think that's the case with most WPN players, no?

i dunno man, i think thats a silly statement. while im sure their cash is attractive with the beast, there are still plenty of players who play strictly sng, mtt, or sng/mtt

I was just under the impression that although we have a ton of tournament players on WPN due to the promotions here, the majority are still cash players. I guess considering the High Five and other tournament promotions running I'm off base on that. There's just a lot of cash game players on here at night now.

I'll keep this short as it's pointless because you're obviously a disgruntled troll...your assumption that losing players can't be cheating really shows your depth of thought. There are more than enough HHs posted to confirm that brandon and max were colluding. Obviously I understand the game more soundly than you...you spent 2 seconds scoping 2 players that happened to be losers and drew massively incorrect conclusions. What's your screename and what's your cashout history like since you want to call other's out on not being winners? I'm sure the few guys you just called out have results superior to yours.

Also, who is sniperxxx and show me once where I have ever posted that sn? You were trying to say maxsimpson10, but in your angst you made a mistake...again.

losers can cheat but be pretty bad at it haha and it wouldnt really make a huge difference its so hard to spot soft playing, and not to be a dick Drone but your results dont warrant you talking to anyone about their results...

yea scope doesn't track my several hundred % rakeback, sometimes playing 30 tables is more important than roi. i've never not made my goal when trying for the leaderboard, unlike someone that got bumped last week lol.

lol solid rakeback grinding $5 9mans... solid RB... and yeah i got bumped because i didnt play thursday and 1 happy hour on friday because of my Bday lol im not devastated on losing $300 like you might be... the leaderboard is easy if i half ass try for it why arnt you playing this week but have time to troll people on 2+2?

Actually when you factor in the S&C prize his rakeback would actually be pretty good.

i can beat you all in points race ok?

on a serious note, let's keep this on topic and no need for the ego on here. take it to private messages or something.

yeah his % is good but the money isn't great

no need to stay on topic this thread is done next week lol let the ego wars continue on into Jackpot poker im looking forward too it

yep, i forgot no more DON. honestly not going to miss them too much. pretty weird how sometimes you have a bunch running and sometimes none run. Almost impossible to only play the DONs. too many times i thought a table was a DON when it wasn't and made terrible folds.

they run alot during happy hour and you have to supplement it them with other sites, thats what i do so i can consistently have like 12-20 tables most of the day