Please somebody just answer Y/N before I beat my head against the wall in vain over this, especially because it's not about the money and is really about principle (and the lulz).

No it is to hard to spot for wpn.

I don't think they care. I was in a small OD tourney yesterday and had the UTG limper announce to those still holding cards what he folded after my shove. Sat waiting for live chat to talk about it but logged off after 5 min of no response.

ever heard of "winning staking"... the answer to your question is no

Unfortunately not in my experience.

No shot.

They are the Biggest most clueless brand in online poker.

It's been 3 and a half days since you asked the question and no one from WPN has bothered to respond to you or the other posters in this thread. I think that should answer your question.

It's almost like they are trying to lose customers.

all make another post

That is the 1st i have heard of 10NL not getting beast points.

I am currently watching 2 10nl tables and i see players getting points.

Please pm me your nickname to see why your not getting points?

Also FWIW these are not Bots. Its the system from a skin that automatically does that. I see many theories that if someone doesnt write in chat it makes them a bot. Not true.

Ok, the answer is yes we do take collusion and soft play seriously. There are many people on 2+2 that can back me up in this and the things i have done when any accusations have been made.

Also, we can see all chat history but we dont track it, if someone wants to report a players chat behaviour we will certainly take a look but if someone is saying what they are shoving or folding etc, that doesnt make a claim for collusion.

oh i thought those were bots i wasl ike hwy do they hello from the id name haha figured they were bots.

O crap sorry people and thanks for the replies. I had actually forgot I even made this thread until just now, as I'm playing the colludetastic tourney again. (It's a weekly)

That's the part that's both funny and annoying to me (always has been) that people think it's ok to do because it's a small or micro tourney, when the same people would lose their **** if I walked up and took 5$ out of their pocket.

The tourney I'm talking about is one of those weekly semi-private things. I say semi-private because they publicly display the password encouraging people to register and to join their silly site, OTR.

Ok, good, because this is what I wanted to ask, about the chat history. It doesn't seem to be saved in normal hand histories.

I firmly believed I was colluded against 4 times in this tourney but I'll ignore 3 of them for now and just deal with the most ridiculously blatant.

Short version: On bubble, 5 handed (steep payout so paying 4 spots with like 45 entrants). One guy says, "Let's all chip in a few dollars for the bubble, except for unseemly2p2name69," and two of the guys agree. In a normal tourney I'd say I was getting trolled, but this is a private tourney where they seem to be on a first name basis, so I asked if he was joking and he says no, and proceeds to taunt me. The subsequent hands played out like obv collusion, with them not getting involved with each other but splashing around with me.

So, uh, thoughts?

p.s. Rick, maybe you can tag along in this thread if I get results. It's not even about the few couple little dollars, as the main tourney in question their efforts backfired (I got 2nd), but I want to nail them for being so arrogantly ridiculous/ridiculously arrogant. Lol.

I'm gonna assume you've been busy. Should I PM you?


p.s. Because this is pretty much the easiest collusion claim to handle. It's like saying 'bomb' on an airplane or 'fire' in a theatre; you don't even need to look at any hands.

Wasting your time. I had many cases that were easy open shut cases. Wpntd/ceo will just say he will pass it on.

PM me.. Please disregard what Dustin says. Completely untrue statement.

I still have email not sure how to link it.

Winning_TD, you need to understand this topic is a bed that WPN made and needs to sleep in it. You can go back as far as the old DoN collusion thread and find evidence that there was collusion problems then and the network refused to acknowledge them, at least publicly.

If you want posts like Dustins to stop happening you need to prove to a lot of people (including myself) that things are different now and WPN has a handle on collusion. My personal feeling is that nothing has changed and it is up to the players to be on the look out for cheating which really is the responsibility of the network.

With all due respect i dont have to prove this to you guys. If someone and many have in the past pm'd me with accusations and even publicly. I have checked every single one of them and some were correct and some were not. I dont come out here and publicly out anyone for their behaviour.

I also said we keep records of chat history although we do need someone to accuse the other of abusing it before checking.

You are correct you don't have to do anything, but WPNs actions (or lack there of depending on who you ask) in the past have given the perception that the network doesn't take collusion seriously. Myself for example was a victim of collusion ( confirmed by security) by two accounts that had been reported months before I ever played against them. I really don't know how you can expect players who have been put in similar situations not to come to the conclusion WPN doesn't take collusion seriously. Now if I had been issued any refunds maybe I might have a different opinion but from my perspective it's like WPN saying "ya we know you got screwed but that's just to bad". Hope what I am saying sheds some light on why some people are thinking this way.

I'm not about to resuscitate the DON collusion thread but that thread was an embarrassment for most of the people who posted in it. Dozens of people were labeled by name as colluders simply because some posters didn't like the way they played particular hands. All anyone had to do was statistically check to see if the alleged colluders were almost never knocking each other out of the DONs to prove whether they were actually colluding or not. But no one ever bothered to do that despite my requests for them to do so.

DONs are actually the easiest games to check for collusion because the colluders can only very seldom knock each other out of the games and still show a profit, unlike other forms of sitngos and tournaments. That fact was pointed out to you guys in that thread but was ignored.

Colluders probably exists on all sites in all games. But the extent that you guys labeled players as colluders was absurd. All you did was force the network to get rid of the DONs. Now you resurrect that thread as if the what you folks wrote about was fact when it was really just an embarrassing exercise in paranoia.

And Dustin is going to continue to post his nonsense despite what anyone does.