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09-21-2014 , 11:41 AM

#226

spgranger

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White looking absolutely unstoppable. I wonder if it's just EDG being overrated or what.

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09-21-2014 , 11:45 AM

#227

DatFirefly

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The two Samsung teams are just head and shoulders above everyone. I'm still not sure how KT A beat Blue in the last OGN finals.

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09-21-2014 , 11:52 AM

#228

spgranger

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lol imp stealthing into a 1vs2 to assassinate clearlove.

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09-21-2014 , 11:54 AM

#229

spgranger

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I gotta say i think AHQ can beat EDG again here. EDG looks like they're tilting hard.

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09-21-2014 , 11:55 AM

#230

sputnik3000

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Korea hype real
China hype not real

Last edited by sputnik3000; 09-21-2014 at 11:56 AM. Reason: lol TSM

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09-21-2014 , 01:15 PM

#231

spgranger

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So in the end no surprises at all as far as who went through and in what position from groups A and B.

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09-21-2014 , 01:58 PM

#232

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2La...ature=youtu.be

Cliffs:

****ed TSM into getting SSW - Worth

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09-21-2014 , 03:03 PM

#233

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Originally Posted by DatFirefly

The two Samsung teams are just head and shoulders above everyone. I'm still not sure how KT A beat Blue in the last OGN finals.

Kt arrows are a high variance team they beat samsung blue but also needed 5games to beat skt s who white completely obliterated in 3

I don't see shield doing much to stop the Samsung survivor and the china teams look quite bad

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09-21-2014 , 03:07 PM

#234

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Also best of 5s are completely different from best of 1s Edg should do better vs Royal than their group games but as dominant as they have been in china its a bad sign how bad they lost vs ssw

White isn't playing cocky this year and are completely unbannable at any role, I see blue as more fragile a little bit shame it won't be the final since the actual final is going to be uglier than last year

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09-21-2014 , 03:33 PM

#235

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So normal SK > TSM?

I'd so no. TSM had the game in hand until they made a ridiculously terrible call late that instantly lost the game.

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09-21-2014 , 04:35 PM

#236

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Originally Posted by ZomgHax

I'd so no. TSM had the game in hand until they made a ridiculously terrible call late that instantly lost the game.

I would have TSM win a bo5 3-2 against the pre drama S.K and in a group stage of 2 games that could have been elimination for TSM so yeah they ran very good not only getting a soft group but also having a weakened S.K.

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09-21-2014 , 04:54 PM

#237

Subterranean2

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bad late game calls should be expected from TSM

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09-21-2014 , 05:09 PM

#238

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No doubt. They ran ridiculously good.

Not that it matters too much since they'll be eliminated by White 100% of the time.

That late game throw may have cost them a chance at the Semi's because EDG looks very beatable right now.

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09-21-2014 , 05:10 PM

#239

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The first game wasn't just sven not playing, sk got beat pretty convincingly

I think they'd be a pretty large favorite in bo5 -250 ish

Bjergson especially outclasses Jesiz and they'd need to super babysit him

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09-21-2014 , 05:33 PM

#240

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Originally Posted by ZomgHax

I'd so no. TSM had the game in hand until they made a ridiculously terrible call late that instantly lost the game.

They didn´t even have a big lead, like 2k gold and no team really had the scaling advantage. SK had a fed vayne, TSM a fed Kog. SK had a super fed Khazix, TSM only a Lee. TSM Maokai > SK Swain and I`d probably say Ziggs > Syndra.

It would`ve been really really close.

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09-21-2014 , 05:41 PM

#241

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Originally Posted by bottomset

Yeah S.K got beat badly in game 1 and yeah just slotting Svenskeren in there would probably not change much. However the mental hit S.K got when Svenskeren was suspended must be considered. They where arguably the most impressive team in the EU playoffs and where it not for Froggen and some individual plays they could very well have been champs.

When it comes to Jesiz i think hes pretty used to being in a disadvantage mid. EU has some pretty strong midlaners and S.K rarely focuses mid since its no big deal if Jesiz comes out reasonably behind.

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09-21-2014 , 06:10 PM

#242

Roger Mainfield

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I dunno what the line would be between TSM - SK. That last game was real close until the terrible call. TSM has historically had a hard time dealing with strong split pushers, they don't deal with any new things very well.

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09-21-2014 , 09:31 PM

#243

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Basically what we're all saying is:

Thanks Svenskeren

For robbing us of what would have been a really close and competitive battle for 2nd.

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09-22-2014 , 10:09 AM

#244

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Wonder if part of it was a bit of home cooking for what is by far their most popular team TSM. First they get basically the best draw they can get. Then they ban sk coach who let coach all season then they suspend their jungler. Who probably did deserve it but doing it during worlds screws their team hard.

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09-22-2014 , 01:18 PM

#245

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The banning of the coach was beyond stupid. Banning svenskeren was 100% the right call.

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09-22-2014 , 03:32 PM

#246

Anssi A

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Originally Posted by ZomgHax

The banning of the coach was beyond stupid. Banning svenskeren was 100% the right call.

Why? This guy was super toxic and DDOS'r and was warned multiple times but kept doing stupid stuff. If you forgive guy like this then the rules have no reason to exist in the first place.

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09-22-2014 , 03:35 PM

#247

spgranger

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Not sure if you guys have seen this, but there is a dude making infographics about worlds- here is his A/B group stage stats infographic:

here is his site: http://esportkittz.tumblr.com/

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09-22-2014 , 03:49 PM

#248

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Originally Posted by Anssi A

Why? This guy was super toxic and DDOS'r and was warned multiple times but kept doing stupid stuff. If you forgive guy like this then the rules have no reason to exist in the first place.

Having rules against banned players being coaches is fine but changing the rules right before the most important games of the year is really bad.

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09-22-2014 , 03:50 PM

#249

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Originally Posted by Anssi A

Why? This guy was super toxic and DDOS'r and was warned multiple times but kept doing stupid stuff. If you forgive guy like this then the rules have no reason to exist in the first place.

No argument there. The part that was silly was that they allowed him to coach them for 2 splits and then when worlds came around decided they could no longer allow him to because Coach's were to be official members of the team at that point.

He should have been disallowed from coaching them to begin with. But to change it right before worlds is unfair to SK.