Quite new to this game, but finding it a lot of fun so far. Some spots I've been a bit confused with:

PokerStars | Pot Limit Triple Draw 2-7 Cash - $0.25/$0.50 - 5 players
Hand #109823120721 - delivered by Pokeit

BTN: $42.98 (86 bb)
CO: $43.07 (86.1 bb)
UTG: $30.50 (61 bb)
BB: $56.78 (113.6 bb)
Hero: $123.78 (247.6 bb)

Deal: ($0.75) Hero is SB with 2♦ 2♣ 2♥ 3♦ 4♠
3 players fold, Hero raises $1.00 to $1.50, BB calls $1.00

Draw One: ($3.00) (2 players) 2♥ 3♦ 4♠ 7♠ 9♥
Hero discards 2d 2c, BB discards 2 cards
Hero bets $2.50, BB raises $4.50 to $7.00, Hero calls $4.50

Draw Two: ($17.00) (2 players) 2♥ 3♦ 4♠ 7♠ 9♥
Hero stands pat, BB stands pat
Hero checks, BB checks

Draw Three: ($17.00) (2 players) 2♥ 3♦ 4♠ 7♠ 9♥
Hero stands pat, BB stands pat
Hero bets $9.50, BB folds

Would you bet after he stands pat after 2nd draw? Is so whats the plan, b/f? bet/break, or bet/pat/bet? After he checks behind I'm thinking a value bet is ok on the end. Should we 3bet after 1st draw?

PokerStars | No Limit Triple Draw 2-7 Cash - $0.25/$0.50 - 6 players
Hand #109816940433 - delivered by Pokeit

BTN: $20.46 (40.9 bb)
CO: $208.33 (416.7 bb)
Hero: $79.86 (159.7 bb)
UTG: $20.78 (41.6 bb)
BB: $20.80 (41.6 bb)
SB: $27.57 (55.1 bb)

Deal: ($0.75) Hero is MP with 4♣ 9♣ 5♣ 6♦ 2♥
UTG folds, Hero raises $1.00 to $1.50, CO folds, BTN calls $1.50, 2 players fold

Draw One: ($3.75) (2 players) 4♣ 9♣ 5♣ 6♦ 2♥
Hero stands pat, BTN discards 2 cards
Hero bets $3.00, BTN calls $3.00

Draw Two: ($9.75) (2 players) 4♣ 9♣ 5♣ 6♦ 2♥
Hero stands pat, BTN discards 1 cards
Hero bets $6.50, BTN raises $9.46 to $15.96 ALL-IN, Hero calls $9.46

Draw Three: ($41.67) (2 players) 4♣ 9♣ 5♣ 6♦ 2♥
Hero stands pat, BTN stands pat

Should we break the 9 immediately and draw to a 76? When we get raised, should we call and draw? I feel because we have stood pat through the hand we are prob stronger than he is expecting, plus he could be raising to get us to break with the intention to break himself if we don't.

Don't play big pots oop with nines.

Hand 1: Given we have had 3 2s I 3 bet after 1st draw and am happy to get it in. If we do get it in I'm drawing to the nuts and not patting the 9.

We have a monster draw and a bunch of nut blockers plus playing a 9 oop in a big pot v a decent player (not sure if villain is decent) is a nightmare.

I only play this fixed or no limit, and only in tournaments, so I don't know what your pot limit cash game opponents do, but you seem to be placing way, way too much value on 9s. I mean, you have to be careful with 9s in single draw, so you can imagine how vulnerable they are in triple. Usually if you bet a 9 in triple and get raised, unless you know your opponent bluffs a lot, you have to fold, draw down, or pat and lose 90+% of the time.

^^LOL, you won't lose +90% of the time with the really smooth pat 9's (first hand due to blocker), thats simply hyperbolic and missleading here. Please tell us how you came up with that percantage?
I know that the math is extremely complex, and I honestly cant break it down only clsoe to be exact myself, but I just know losing +90% is way out of line here. You should work on your selective memory


Against any 2 card draw, you are way better than that, OP.
Villain will usually only beat your hand with 8-low's or better, since draws to a 7 or 8 can't make better nines, but he might pat them post 2nd draw, which is great for us. Even 246 cant make better nines (in both hands). This might save you vs his 1card draws, too, every now and then

If he doesnt have a pat-hand before the last draw, we are way ahead with a 9, since even a pat-J beats a 1card draw with just one draw left (orly...).


The first hand should keep drawing one to 2347, ofc, but the second hand was played perfect. You can not break hand 2 post 2nd draw, since its a gutshot and you likely just have ~7 outs (7's and 8's, villain holding at keast one of them). Breaking the hand predraw would be the only option, imo, but I'd pat it too, due to the reasons I mentioned above.

I wasn't talking about the chance a pat 9 has to beat a draw, though if someone draws 1 each time and is drawing clean to, say, an 8, that player will beat a smooth 9 about 60% of the time (the chance they miss each draw is about 3/4, so they hit about 1 - (3/4)^3 of the time).

But that's not what I was talking about. I was talking about how valuable a 9 is when, at these stakes, you pot bet and then get raised. That makes it a lot less likely you're up against a draw at all, and a 9 doesn't beat many legitimate pat hands, and especially not many that enthusiastically raise pot. You might be accustomed to a different style of play at higher stakes, but at low stakes, most players are weak-passive, and most will just call on draws, and you rarely get raised in this spot by a hand you beat. Of course you can adjust if your villain plays differently than that.

Saw some guy crushing this game online last night.

It sure plays different to limit.

We ain't in Kansas anymore, Toto.

I prefer 5ingl3 draw's line to reraise/call and break the first hand against active villains; 40% chance to improve to 87www+, and blocking three 2's from the opening hand seem like a deal. At 50PL though, I might just call & break expecting to see nothing but pat 97+ from an overly passive villain.

In tougher games, I would expect that we could call & pat to defend our equity, given we slowplay with pat 8+ occasionally to protect the pat calldown range.

In hand 2, I would break at first draw unless you play a very balanced game, and think your hand will retain its equity well. In a NL game, you have more incentive to break if you think villains are capable of overbetting late streets. Drawing 1 loses 5% equity (45% to make 76 or 86), but retains that equity much better over 3 streets, so ends up as a net plus IMO.

For the turn play, a fish shoving into a pat I jsut fold. He will make a better hand ~10% of the time drawing 2, and we have all reasons to believe he has no bluff range here at all, and doesn't shove worse into an EP player patting