Well yes playing only 1 table should make your edge bigger since you will pick up more informations, that said if u want an accurate estimate of your winrate, the numbers of hands needed will remain the same.

Anyone know what win rates you are supposed to have at certain levels like 4/8 and 10/20 on pstars, and 4/8 and 8/16 on ftp? I'm starting to lose faith in these games besides curing my excitement level because there doesn't seem like to be much money potential playing these when you can grind more playing 1/2nl 6 tabling or something random like that. Where can u start to make serious money at these games? lol

Would be very sick if they played all the games PL.

They should do this imo.

So yesterday I was bored so 2tabled 1/2 8game and was really surprised how soft the games were...how do they usually compare to the usual cashgames (stud games and TD especially) ?

The TDL is pretty soft in my opinion. Lots of opening limping and people playing without deuces.

*** DEALING HANDS ***
Dealt to iron81 [6s 2h 8c Jh 3d]
iron81: raises $1 to $2
Powahh: folds
mohuncher: folds
FunkHouse: folds
FunkHouse leaves the table
zakke777: calls $1.50
schu_81: calls $1
*** FIRST DRAW ***
zakke777: discards 4 cards
schu_81: discards 4 cards
iron81: discards 1 card [Jh]
Dealt to iron81 [6s 2h 8c 3d] [2d]
zakke777: checks
mystinen60 joins the table at seat #4
schu_81: checks
iron81: bets $1
zakke777: calls $1
schu_81: calls $1
*** SECOND DRAW ***
zakke777: discards 3 cards
schu_81: discards 2 cards
iron81: discards 1 card [2d]
Dealt to iron81 [6s 2h 8c 3d] [Th]
zakke777: bets $2
schu_81: calls $2
iron81: calls $2
*** THIRD DRAW ***
zakke777: discards 1 card
schu_81: discards 1 card
iron81: discards 1 card [Th]
Dealt to iron81 [6s 2h 8c 3d] [7d]
zakke777: bets $2
schu_81: raises $2 to $4
iron81: folds
zakke777: folds
Uncalled bet ($2) returned to schu_81
schu_81 collected $18.25 from pot
schu_81: doesn't show hand

Does anyone play 8game or 7game who doesn't post here?

Just askin.

sick, today I sat with $529 on a 2/4 8-game table after playin 2 1/2 hours. did anyone experience something like that? did anybody did have a higher stake on a 2/4 game yet?

Its on Stars atm

Anyone rather have PL 2-7 Single Draw than TD?

Id agree that newbies havent a scooby doo what they are doing in TD but that will last only so long. Then again having SD after NLHE and PLO would create an imbalance in the mix. 5 Limit games followed by 3 PL/NL might not be so good. But a SD/PLO/NLHE mix would be sick for action

I've played a bit of the $4/8. Wouldn't mind talking about some hands on AIM if anyones doing that from this level. Some input on my game wouldn't be so bad either.

Also, who's playing the $320 8 game, maybe some % swaps.

Why do you have post a big blind in the blind games when you sit in earlier. i.e. You can jump in on razz, play the rest of the stud the games, then you have to post in the blind games. Seems to me like you're already in the game and shouldn't have to post.

Because you are posting antes EVERY hand for stud games. This makes perfect sense.

In the blind games you are paying for the orbit, while in the stud games you are paying for each hand. If you didn't have to pay in the blind games then you would be getting a lot of hands for free.

I have just read the thread, I'm pretty new to posting on 2 +2 but will be a regular in the new year. I'm looking to play the 8 game and just giving an advanced hello.

Hello.

Just played this hand against Victor Ramdin. Total brag, flame me if you wish.


(Summary since Razz hh's are tough to read: hit three pair on 7th in razz and bluffed out the PS pro and another player, who both obv missed)

PokerStars Game #36031437569: 8-Game (Razz Limit, $10/$20 USD) - 2009/11/29 19:04:37 ET
Table 'Asteria VII' 6-max
Seat 1: pearljam1012 ($295.75 in chips)
Seat 2: Bushman ($548.50 in chips)
Seat 3: SeraphimV ($836.75 in chips)
Seat 4: gipsy74 ($426.75 in chips)
Seat 5: dev209 ($500 in chips)
Seat 6: VictorRamdin ($459.50 in chips)
pearljam1012: posts the ante $2
Bushman: posts the ante $2
SeraphimV: posts the ante $2
gipsy74: posts the ante $2
dev209: posts the ante $2
VictorRamdin: posts the ante $2
*** 3rd STREET ***
Dealt to pearljam1012 [Kc]
Dealt to Bushman [Qs]
Dealt to SeraphimV [4c 6h 2d]
Dealt to gipsy74 [4d]
Dealt to dev209 [8d]
Dealt to VictorRamdin [4s]
pearljam1012: brings in for $3
Bushman: folds
SeraphimV: raises $7 to $10
gipsy74: raises $10 to $20
dev209: folds
VictorRamdin: calls $20
pearljam1012: folds
SeraphimV: calls $10
*** 4th STREET ***
Dealt to SeraphimV [4c 6h 2d] [5d]
Dealt to gipsy74 [4d] [9s]
Dealt to VictorRamdin [4s] [Tc]
SeraphimV: bets $10
gipsy74: calls $10
VictorRamdin: calls $10
*** 5th STREET ***
Dealt to SeraphimV [4c 6h 2d 5d] [5s]
Dealt to gipsy74 [4d 9s] [Jc]
Dealt to VictorRamdin [4s Tc] [Ad]
VictorRamdin: bets $20
SeraphimV: calls $20
gipsy74: calls $20
*** 6th STREET ***
Dealt to SeraphimV [4c 6h 2d 5d 5s] [2c]
Dealt to gipsy74 [4d 9s Jc] [Kd]
Dealt to VictorRamdin [4s Tc Ad] [Qd]
VictorRamdin: bets $20
SeraphimV: calls $20
gipsy74: calls $20
*** RIVER ***
Dealt to SeraphimV [4c 6h 2d 5d 5s 2c] [6c]
VictorRamdin: checks
SeraphimV: bets $20
gipsy74: folds
VictorRamdin: folds
Uncalled bet ($20) returned to SeraphimV
SeraphimV collected $222 from pot
SeraphimV: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $225 | Rake $3
Seat 1: pearljam1012 folded on the 3rd Street
Seat 2: Bushman folded on the 3rd Street (didn't bet)
Seat 3: SeraphimV collected ($222)
Seat 4: gipsy74 folded on the River
Seat 5: dev209 folded on the 3rd Street (didn't bet)
Seat 6: VictorRamdin folded on the River

Ya I play 7 game and 8 game.
I've played up to 100/200 on both and I often take shots when the games are good.
I've also grinded 4/8-20/40 7 game taking stupid swings along the way.
A lot of you probably have seen me at the mixed games but didn't know my handle is different from my name here except for on stars.
8 game is mad soft.

Seraphim, I'd be shocked if 5th street isn't a raise.

I was thinking about that actually. The fact the J9x is behind us makes me want to flat, because otherwise we are merely isolating ourselves against a likely T low with a smooth draw. The 9 draw's equity in the pot is so low 3-way that we don't mind him staying in (around ~10% depending on hole cards and assuming Ramdin has a T with a decent redraw, only half of which is sucked from us, not to mention the reverse implied odds he suffers from drawing to a 9 and having his hand basically face up).

Of course, this assumes Ramdin has the decent draw that makes him an equity fav against us. The reason I give him quite low cards is he cold called 2 bets, but some players are capable of doing this with any 3 low. There is also the chance that Ramdin paired the A (given no dead As it seems quite likely it would have) but he may not bet A34TA on 5th 3-way in a bloated pot. The less he has the smooth draw, the less of an underdog we are the closer it becomes a value/iso raise.

Looking at it again, to be honest I'm not entirely sure why I didnt! lol I think it was because Ramdin was playing very LAG and I didn't see him folding anyway. One of my approaches now and then in razz is to try not to invest too much without an actual made hand in a multiway pot, but regardless you're probably right, good eye.

Getting him to fold on the river wasn't really anything special anyway, they both obv missed and I just happened to be in the right spot with the right board.

Advanced sorry if this has been posted in another thread. I'm just wondering what people think is good bankroll management for the 8 game?

uhh.. im confused. 500BB for 6max limit games=standard. this translates to 2000bb or 20 buyins for the NL/PL games which is also standard afaik.

20 buyins for PLO is definitely not standard (losing most of your bankroll on a bad day won't be fun), and I wouldn't say 20 buyins for NL is either in the same way that 500BB for limit is standard. 20 buyins at NL is definitely on the aggressive side of BRM (at PLO it's just on the maniac shot-taking side), while 500BB in limit is on the conservative side.

I'm now playing the Stars and FTP 1/2 and 40/80 games regularly, I'm not the best but vs the player pool I think I get it done rather comfortably. If anyone wants to discuss hands etc send me a PM.

Can someone explain why in that razz hand we should raise 5th when we pair and Ramdin hits an A? I'm new to the game so it might be basic but would like to hear it.