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02-17-2011 , 02:03 PM
i'm interested in learning badugi... does anyone have any reccomendations for basic strategy, forums to read, or books to obtain?
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02-17-2011 , 02:33 PM
Free: There's a thread in the Beginning Poker Questions forum called "Teach me how to Dugi". In it, you'll find a link to a video that some goober on card runners did. Pretty good. Also, there's a podcast called "Ante Up" on i Tunes. On 11/20/09 Greg Raymer did and interview with them where he talked a TON about Badugi. And I'd guess there's more pod casts on i Tunes if you type "Badugi" in the search box.

If you wanna pony up, there's a few really good badugi vids on Deuces Cracked.

GL
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02-17-2011 , 03:30 PM
Chris Fargis was one of the first online players, who played the 'other' games instead of just hold em. He wrote a pretty nice article about badugi (and other games):

http://www.pokernews.com/news/2006/1...gis-badugi.htm
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02-17-2011 , 09:16 PM
Don't draw HU on the turn vs 1 player if he is pat (assuming a raise and call pre and flop bet and call)
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02-18-2011 , 01:40 AM
This advice is good:

CF: There is a large luck factor in any poker game. People who whine about luck in poker need to come to grips with this fact. Games like badugi and triple draw do have higher short-term variance, but there are correct and incorrect ways to play in these games, and if you play correctly you will get the money in the long term.



Read more: http://www.pokernews.com/news/2006/1...gis-badugi.htm
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02-18-2011 , 04:44 AM
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Originally Posted by LUCIUS VARENUS
Don't draw HU on the turn vs 1 player if he is pat (assuming a raise and call pre and flop bet and call)
I don't really agree with this. It depends of course, but normally you are getting at least 4.5:1 plus implied odds vs a range that is mostly made up of paint badugis. Making this a hard and fast rule is definitely not correct, though I do sometimes fold turn in some situations
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02-18-2011 , 09:48 AM
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Originally Posted by DeathDonkey
I don't really agree with this. It depends of course, but normally you are getting at least 4.5:1 plus implied odds vs a range that is mostly made up of paint badugis. Making this a hard and fast rule is definitely not correct, though I do sometimes fold turn in some situations
The pot odds aren't there and the implied odds don't make up for it.

Assume a theoretical situation where we had A23. With one draw to come 10 cards make a badugi for us. That's a 21% chance of making a badugi.

So it'd seem we have the pot odds.

However we rarely have 21% - the opponent could have anything between A234 and TJQK.

In terms of playability, we can't really rely on winning with a T badugi or worse and we're not that happy with a 9 unless we're IP and he checks it.

So realistically we only have between 1 out and 6 outs. After all - only the times we make A234, A235, A236, A236, A237 and A238 are we going to be able to capitalise on those implied odds you've mentioned.

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02-18-2011 , 12:00 PM
Players do snow; depends on the opposition and what limits you play. Even if a player rarely does, he may give excessive action when you catch perfect.
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02-18-2011 , 01:23 PM
Never fold after the first draw if the pot has been raised.
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02-18-2011 , 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by LUCIUS VARENUS
However we rarely have 21% - the opponent could have anything between A234 and TJQK.

In terms of playability, we can't really rely on winning with a T badugi or worse and we're not that happy with a 9 unless we're IP and he checks it.

So realistically we only have between 1 out and 6 outs. After all - only the times we make A234, A235, A236, A236, A237 and A238 are we going to be able to capitalise on those implied odds you've mentioned.
The most common situation by far that we will ever be getting such weak pot odds is when one player raises pre, we draw, and they stand pat. In that spot you should probably take a look at a badugi starting pat hands distribution in some form, their range is heavily weighted towards Kings and Queens for obvious reasons. It's not "wrong" to put them on a weak pat hand in this spot, its math. So yeah I think everything else you wrote is just pessimistic and wrong given my initial assumptions.
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02-18-2011 , 07:13 PM
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02-18-2011 , 08:01 PM
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Originally Posted by DeathDonkey
I don't really agree with this. It depends of course, but normally you are getting at least 4.5:1 plus implied odds vs a range that is mostly made up of paint badugis. Making this a hard and fast rule is definitely not correct, though I do sometimes fold turn in some situations
We've discussed this in various threads before so I don't really care to get into it again, but DeathDonkey is right. There's a lot of "it depends" that goes into these situations, but always folding is generally wrong.
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02-18-2011 , 08:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Go Get It
Never fold after the first draw if the pot has been raised.
It's generally okay to fold HU if you brick after drawing 2 and the other guy is pat.
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02-18-2011 , 09:31 PM
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It's generally okay to fold HU if you brick after drawing 2 and the other guy is pat.
Yes, just about the only exception.
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