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06-30-2015 , 05:21 AM
Table is a bit loose. Am I too nitty to fold here? How about if I hold 8543/8763?

Poker Stars $0.25/$0.50 Limit 2-7 Triple Draw Lowball - 6 players - View hand 2737005
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Pre Draw: (1.4 SB) Hero is SB with A 8 6 5 3
UTG folds, MP folds, CO raises, BTN 3-bets, Hero folds
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06-30-2015 , 11:55 AM
Does button three bet 2 card draws very often?
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06-30-2015 , 12:24 PM
Galts Motor (v2.03 b78) - Deuce (Triple Draw)
40000 sims in 16.9 seconds

BB - Equity: 32.0%
Range: 8653
After 1st Draw - Pat: 98 Break: 98
After 2nd Draw - Pat: T9 Break: 98

BTN - Equity: 43.9%
Range: 87653 ( 0%), 7432 (16%), 8643 (10%), 7542 (21%), 8642 (15%), 7632 (16%), 8752 (14%), 8543 ( 8%)
After 1st Draw - Pat: 98 Break: 98
After 2nd Draw - Pat: T9 Break: 98

CO - Equity: 24.1%
Range: 8642 ( 4%), 852 (21%), 743 (23%), 7542 ( 3%), 842 (22%), 732 (26%)
After 1st Draw - Pat: 98 Break: 98
After 2nd Draw - Pat: T9 Break: 98


Galts Motor (v2.03 b78) - Deuce (Triple Draw)
40000 sims in 17.8 seconds

BB - Equity: 34.7%
Range: 8653
After 1st Draw - Pat: 98 Break: 98
After 2nd Draw - Pat: T9 Break: 98

BTN - Equity: 38.2%
Range: 87653 ( 1%), 7432 ( 7%), 8643 ( 7%), 7542 ( 8%), 732 (47%), 8642 ( 7%), 7632 ( 7%), 8752 ( 9%), 8543 ( 5%)
After 1st Draw - Pat: 98 Break: 98
After 2nd Draw - Pat: T9 Break: 98

CO - Equity: 27.0%
Range: 8642 ( 6%), 852 (17%), 743 (25%), 7542 ( 6%), 842 (27%), 732 (19%)
After 1st Draw - Pat: 98 Break: 98
After 2nd Draw - Pat: T9 Break: 98
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06-30-2015 , 12:34 PM
First sim gives button 1 card draws only, plus a single pat hand. Second adds 732 to their range.

I think this is roughly accurate, Galts doesn't do complete ranges (such as 1 card draws, etc), so I have to construct them by hand. It's also a hot/cold simulator so your equity make be better/worse if your hand has substantial implied odds.

That's the real question, given a couple deuces should be gone, and maybe one or two 4s, are you mostly drawing to payoff hands OOP and will be forced to payoff too much? I don't think so. There just aren't that many smooth one card draws, button should be pretty rough when drawing 1, and CO could have anything. You have more outs to good 86s than a rough 87, and you are way ahead when against two 2 card draws. And you are putting in only 21% of the bets pre-draw (most of the time).
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06-30-2015 , 12:35 PM
Galts Motor (v2.03 b78) - Deuce (Triple Draw)
40000 sims in 17.4 seconds

BB - Equity: 38.7%
Range: 8653
After 1st Draw - Pat: 98 Break: 98
After 2nd Draw - Pat: T9 Break: 98

BTN - Equity: 34.2%
Range: 732
After 1st Draw - Pat: 98 Break: 98
After 2nd Draw - Pat: T9 Break: 98

CO - Equity: 27.1%
Range: 842
After 1st Draw - Pat: 98 Break: 98
After 2nd Draw - Pat: T9 Break: 98
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06-30-2015 , 03:47 PM
Why so few pat hands for both villains?
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06-30-2015 , 05:12 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DesertCat
Does button three bet 2 card draws very often?
This is key - but w/o that read I'd still 4 bet in a cash game, given the LP open/3!
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06-30-2015 , 05:53 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by phunkphish
Why so few pat hands for both villains?
Pat hands are rare so I only gave button one and Galts only weights it as 1% of range the way it works out combinations. Even if you assign 10% pat hands to both villains it would probably be close hot/cold and that would be an absurdly high range of pat hands.
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07-01-2015 , 04:52 AM
Are you including pat 9s? I think those are playable in CO or BTN.
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07-01-2015 , 05:53 AM
It's standard to fold draws to nr6 or better vs a 3-bet in a three-way, If you want to play it consider discarding two cards, worst case scenario the first raiser will steal a card but u will have the equity to call after first, but w/o reads I would fold pre.
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07-01-2015 , 11:18 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by phunkphish
Are you including pat 9s? I think those are playable in CO or BTN.
Hero has a ton of outs over 3 draws vs. pat 9s. I doubt it changes the decision much.
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