bote mix tonight at bellagio. villain is a 40ish woman named Mo who I think is a semi-regular (not from Vegas but Vegas regulars seemed to know her). I played with her in a wsop stud8 event and she played well (tough to gauge exactly when everyone else at the table is horrible), seems a little passive relatively (in the stud 8 event she let me barrel my crap steal ---> scary board ----> flush into her rolled fives without once raising after third), probably a winning player but I'm not good enough to be sure.

My image is tightish across the board, badugi noob. If I get any respect it's in the oe, not the draw games. Only badugi hands I've played to the river I raised, patted and bet the first two draws, one threeway, one fourway. One I paid off a 6 made on the end and mucked, the other one checked through and I showed down 9841 and won.

A bit before this hand happened: she raises, Tom Franklin calls, Chris Reslock 3 bets bb, both call. Pat, 1, 1. Chris bets, she raises, Tom calls, Chris reraises, she 4bets, Tom calls again, Chris calls. Pat, pat, 1. Check, she bets, now Tom raises, Chris folds, she calls and breaks a T, Tom draws one and wins with a better 3 card. She's not steaming or anything bc of it though.
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She raises button, I rr sb with J632 badugi, she calls. I pat, she draws 1, I bet she raises. Now what?

From what I know from vilain (if she is the one who played a lot of 50/100 stud8) she is very passive and likely wont raise a Q here, she might have a worse jack but even there she might not raise.

I would call and break.

Don't know villain but I agree with Seb.

-DeathDonkey

yeah seb i think that's her; i played the stud 8 at the rio with her also once or twice.

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So against a certain type of opponent, break.

But isn't this ridiculously exploitable? If she knows I'll break she'll raise every time she has a good three card and/or makes a bad badugi. And a jack is a pretty strong badugi (especially blind v button). Is the balancing factor that normally I won't have a good enough draw to break (so I'll call, pat, and then she'll have to decide between snowing or drawing, and I'll have to decide between calling down and folding somewhere. and/or that I may have a better 3 card, in which case getting me to break isn't worth as much? And I suppose the times I have a monster and reraise takes a chunk of ev from the play. Would I ever threebet the jack (for value) or am I stuck calling and giving a free card/playing bluff-induce for the times button snows or value bets a worse jack? It seems like being oop really sucks in this spot because the button always gets at least one street of more or less perfect information, and I'm not sure how to avoid that.

So if a range for reraising a button raise and patting is {all badugis, snows}, autoraising after drawing one would be really profitable against that range against someone who breaks a jack. Even if this particular hand isn't one where I have to worry about that, what's the gameplan when I do?

Is a jack kind of the median where this is a tricky problem (like I imagine you always keep a 9 (T?) in this spot and are a lot more likely to break/fold a Q/K (although the badugi strength doesn't matter as much if the button is raising to get us to play 3 card v 3 card.

So confused.

lol @ thinking live player can exploit you.

There are probably less than 10 live players (and they virtually all post here) who have any idea of what they are doing. I mean live players are usually more concerned about squezzing their cards the right way than finding way to exploit their opp.

Against an good player you probably wanna call down your J.

How about call/pat and see if she breaks? if she pats behind you can break on the last draw.

I suck at this game btw.

i would call and rap pat

Seb I generally side with the "online" guys but wow are you wrong once you get above these mid stakes mix games.

-DeathDonkey

Well I played 40/80 at the B when it was still running, some 1/2 and watch a lot of 2/4 at the rio and seriously everyone at the table sucked.

I mean maybe people get better at 400/800 or higher but from what I saw its really really bad.

terrible or not they will still spazz out and try to make people break often in nonsensical spots

so i called and patted, she patted, i checked, she bet, i called. Do I pat again and checkfold river? I assume she won't value bet worse and the player in question isn't snowing enough to pay off? Or break now?

And is patting behind after the first draw with a 3 card in her spot a line people use to induce a break?.. it seems like it'd be a good trick in the right spot.