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02-23-2011 , 01:23 AM

joewatch

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Best river action and why?:
A) Bet/3bet/call 4bet
B) Bet/call
C) Check-raise/call 3bet
D) Check-raise/4bet
E) other

$0.25/$0.50 Limit 2-7 Triple Draw Lowball - 5 players
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Pre Draw: (1.4 SB) Hero is UTG with Q

Hero raises, CO calls, BTN calls, SB folds, BB folds

First Draw: (7.4 SB) (3 players)
Hero draws 1, CO draws 2, BTN draws 2
Hand: 7

Hero bets, CO calls, BTN calls

Second Draw: (5.2 BB) (3 players)
Hero stands pat, CO draws 2, BTN draws 2
Hand: 7

Hero bets, CO raises, BTN calls, Hero 3-bets, CO caps!, BTN calls, Hero calls

Third Draw: (17.2 BB) (3 players)
Hero stands pat, CO stands pat, BTN draws 1
Hand: 7

Hero ???

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02-23-2011 , 01:44 AM

LUCIUS VARENUS

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bet/call. he is gonna do this with #4 and #5 for sure, plus he went 2 to pat. i'm betting he aint got the 7.

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02-23-2011 , 02:43 AM

spursman2150

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i'd bet/call if villian is typical, c/r call 3 bet vs an aggro. if other villian raises im hating life because unless hes a complete moron he has to be drawing super smooth after taking two to face twice on the turn. If it went bet / raise / 3 bet i would almost consider folding but in practice probably wouldnt.

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02-23-2011 , 10:46 AM

Journeyman_1

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just dont put 3 bets in without a read

i think b/c, but otherwise c/r/f is a pretty good line if you know he doesnt spazz.

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02-24-2011 , 04:24 AM

TheGusPair

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Not sure if it's optimal, but readless I b/c and expect to lose 65%, chop 5% and win 30%.

Standard player, I agree that if the 3rd bet goes in you're dead, but I want to see a SD with no3, so b/c seems best. You also never miss a bet when he spazzed with an 8 thinking you'd break.

You obviously bet (your "Hero ???" is red), what happened next?

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02-24-2011 , 10:33 AM

joewatch

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Originally Posted by TheGusPair

I bet, villain raised, I called. Villain shows #4, my hand is good.

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02-24-2011 , 01:03 PM

spursman2150

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Originally Posted by TheGusPair

where did u come up with dem numbers? It does seem pretty close

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02-24-2011 , 01:45 PM

andbeyond

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ive been playing these games a lot, i'd bet/call all day

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02-24-2011 , 07:17 PM

LUCIUS VARENUS

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Originally Posted by spursman2150

where did u come up with dem numbers? It does seem pretty close

He is guesstimating, it's unlikely to be mathematically calculated.

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02-24-2011 , 08:18 PM

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DeathDonkey

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Once he caps the turn I am either check/calling or check/raising, why donk when he will bet his full range if we check?

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02-25-2011 , 01:01 AM

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joewatch

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Originally Posted by DeathDonkey

Once he caps the turn I am either check/calling or check/raising, why donk when he will bet his full range if we check?

Okay, which? Villain is loose-passive but will spazz out with any 7.

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02-25-2011 , 07:16 AM

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weirdchess1

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Originally Posted by DeathDonkey

Once he caps the turn I am either check/calling or check/raising, why donk when he will bet his full range if we check?

I'm not actually sure this is true. He may have an 87 and capped the turn hoping you'd break, but after hero pats, he pats behind a marginal hand and hopes to check it down.

I generally follow the betting order but I think if the pot is capped, all betting rules go out the window.

I would probably c/c river because I'm a nit, though I do see merit to both b/c and c/r. I think I prefer b/c over c/r because if villain really does have #2 or #1, he will 3bet the river against a c/r, and we end up putting in 3 river bets if we're behind but only 2 bets (or maybe even 0 bets) if we're ahead. So yeah, I would choose c/c or b/c over c/r.

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02-25-2011 , 07:54 AM

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Journeyman_1

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^^ c/r/f is an option...

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02-25-2011 , 10:11 AM

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joewatch

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Originally Posted by Journeyman_1

^^ c/r/f is an option...

I don't think I will ever fold a #3. The pot will be too big such that calling incorrectly will only be a small mistake and folding incorrectly will be a big one. I might consider folding a #4 if it's ever 3 bets to me. Is that wrong?

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02-25-2011 , 10:20 AM

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Journeyman_1

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i have folded #3 before, there are definitely spots where r/f becomes correct, but maybe these spots arent relevent vs the players at .25/.5.

an example is when you cap the turn IP in 1:2, and the V bets. now here you may want to raise as he can bet #6+ or something, but he'll only 3bet #2+, maybe #3+. ive been in spots like this lately where people b/c #2 otr fwiw.

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02-25-2011 , 02:01 PM

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spursman2150

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I think i would like to have a good history on my opponent to fold number 3. I think a lot of villians play any seven as if it were the nuts. but then like freeze with hands as strong as #5.

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02-25-2011 , 09:21 PM

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DeathDonkey

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I'd probably check/call fwiw

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