A few hands from the same session which highlighted to me a) how tricky 5432x can be, and b) how bad I am at negotiating that trickiness.



Hand 1

Decent vill, no history though.


A pack of feral cows chewed their cuds for .0043 seconds to convert this hand
PokerStars Limit Triple Draw $0.25/$0.50 - 4 players

BB: $19.55 (Hero)
UTG: $9.60
Button: $19.75
SB: $26.50

Dealing Hands: ($0.35) (4 players)
UTG folds, Button raises to $0.50, SB folds, Hero calls $0.25

First Draw: ($1.10) (2 players)
Hero discards 2, Button discards 2,
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Hero bets $0.25, Button raises to $0.50, Hero calls $0.25

Second Draw: ($2.10) (2 players)
Hero discards 1, Button stands,
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Hero checks, Button bets $0.50, Hero raises to $1

c/r OK? Planning on breaking if I get 3!, patting if I get called. In hindsight I don't really like it, correct/boring option to c/f?


Hand 2

I think villains lines here are fairly indicitive of how he plays. Not much history at this point, didn't know.

Converted by a herd of feral cows
PokerStars Limit Triple Draw $0.25/$0.50 - 3 players

SB: $18.70 (Hero)
BB: $8.85
Button: $27.40

Dealing Hands: ($0.35) (3 players)
Button folds, Hero raises to $0.50, BB raises to $0.75, Hero raises to $1, BB calls $0.25

First Draw: ($2.10) (2 players)
Hero discards 1, BB discards 2,
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Hero bets $0.25, BB raises to $0.50, Hero raises to $0.75, BB calls $0.25

Second Draw: ($3.60) (2 players)
Hero stands, BB discards 1,

Hero bets $0.50, BB raises to $1, Hero calls $0.50

Third Draw: ($5.60) (2 players)
Hero stands, BB stands,

Hero checks, BB bets $0.50, Hero calls $0.50


Played it right? Break OTT when we get raised?


Hand 3

Same villain as first hand.

Moooooooooooraaawwwr.
PokerStars Limit Triple Draw $0.25/$0.50 - 4 players

BB: $15.65 (Hero)
UTG: $10.85
Button: $28.55
SB: $27.15

Dealing Hands: ($0.35) (4 players)
UTG folds, Button raises to $0.50, SB calls $0.40, Hero calls $0.25

First Draw: ($1.50) (3 players)
SB discards 2, Hero discards 2, Button discards 3,
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SB checks, Hero bets $0.25, Button raises to $0.50, SB folds, Hero calls $0.25

Second Draw: ($2.50) (2 players)
Hero discards 1, Button discards 1,
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Hero checks, Button bets $0.50, Hero raises to $1, Button calls $0.50

Third Draw: ($4.50) (2 players)
Hero stands, Button discards 1,

Hero checks, Button checks

Hero showed , Lo: T,6,5,3,2
Button mucked
Hero won $4.30
(Rake: $0.20)

Too risky to c/r the turn?


Hand 4

Vill a not very solid reg.

Feral Cow Poker Hand Converter
PokerStars Limit Triple Draw $0.25/$0.50 - 5 players

UTG: $21.90 (Hero)
CO: $25.65
Button: $6.55
SB: $20.50
BB: $29.90

Dealing Hands: ($0.35) (5 players)
Hero raises to $0.50, 3 folds, BB calls $0.25

First Draw: ($1.10) (2 players)
BB discards 2, Hero discards 2,
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BB checks, Hero bets $0.25, BB calls $0.25

Second Draw: ($1.60) (2 players)
BB discards 1, Hero discards 1,
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BB checks, Hero bets $0.50, BB raises to $1, Hero calls $0.50

Third Draw: ($3.60) (2 players)
BB stands, Hero stands,

BB bets $0.50, Hero calls $0.50


Too risky too keep the 9? Fold the turn? Seems a bit weak/exploitable, although maybe this villain isn't really the exploiting type.



Hand 5

UTG is solid, SB the 80/20 donk that got me to sit in the first place.

Dont have a cow, heres your converted hand
PokerStars Limit Triple Draw $0.50/$1.00 - 5 players

UTG: $20.15
CO: $33.40
Button: $17.25
SB: $19.35
BB: $36.00 (Hero)

Dealing Hands: ($0.75) (5 players)
UTG raises to $1, 2 folds, SB calls $0.75, Hero calls $0.50

First Draw: ($3.00) (3 players)
SB stands, Hero discards 2, UTG discards 1,
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SB checks, Hero checks, UTG checks

Second Draw: ($3.00) (3 players)
SB discards 2, Hero discards 1, UTG discards 1,
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SB checks, Hero bets $1, UTG raises to $2, SB calls $2, Hero calls $1

Third Draw: ($9.00) (3 players)
SB discards 1, Hero discards 1, UTG stands,
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SB checks, Hero checks, UTG bets $1, SB folds, Hero folds


I really doubted my 9 was good, and then I felt like I had to call once SB donk has come along. Standard? Or call the raise and pat the 9, maybe folding the river?


Sorry for epic post, any amount of feedback appreciated.

Hand 1 - CR a pat hand with T is spew unless btn is weak-tight.

Hand 2 - Don't pat T on flop with a redraw to the nuts. Excellent implied odds for you to draw.

Hand 3 -Looks like it worked for you, but bet/pat bet/call/break is probably better.

Hand 4 - pretty read dependent, but I would be worried about a monster after getting check-raised in a 1:1. I think you played it okay, but I can see arguments for breaking on the turn or folding the river if you don't break.

Hand 5 - fine

#1: just c/c draw ott. folding may be close, but in practice i call there. i dont c/r without a super strong read that he breaks or folds alot. its usually spew as he has a better hand and isnt breaking it.

#2: just call the raise on the flop and draw 1. as played you have to break on the turn unless he's getting waay out of line. as played on the river you must fold also. he's telling you he has a strong hand, so listen to him.

#3: just bet the turn and pat, break if raised. if he bets UI 100% then c/r is ok but the c/r is going to get frozen alot more than the bet/pat imo.

#4: against someone that can c/c draw 1 otf i dont keep the 9. in general i dont anyway but against someone that fold alot on flop/turn its ok. ott/river you're beat like always, but i play it the same the first time to see if he's spazzing (like you with the T earlier ). i wouldnt fold the turn though, either draw or pat, but dont fold.

#5: i like to make them bet their hand again before giving up this hand. so i b/c/pat the turn and then c/f river i think. ofc vs some breaking the turn is fine. folding is not.

Conclusions: its not the draws you're having trouble with, its the 9's and T's.

you have some serious leaks..

i mostly agree w/ joe's advice

Thanks to joe and Journeyman, I guess I should just stop trying to get to SD with bad hands and keep drawing. As usual, ABC is the order of the day when OOP

Are hands 1 and 5 OK with the 345 defend? It seems like I have caught my dream card in both, and yet all it did was get me into trouble... Is this more of a trap hand OOP than I realise? Seems like we're better off catching a 7 or 8...

My feeling is that hand 1 defend vs. btn raiser is much better than hand 5 defend vs. UTG and SB.

Hand 1, Btn maybe on a steal with a 3CD, and there is probably just 1 dead deuce.

Hand 5, UTG is likely to have a strong opening hand, and if SB is not a fish, his hand should be strong as well since he's calling a raise in the worst position. There are likely to be 2 dead deuces.

SB in Hand 5 was a huge fish (see my J8643 thread, same villain), 80/20 over a smallish but not tiny sample; I would have 100% folded to UTG raise if it folded around to me.

Though I could still see that maybe I can pick a better spot against a fish that I have to my direct right. He's not almost broke or anything.