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2-7TD - Breaking off an 8 after getting 3-bet 2-7TD - Breaking off an 8 after getting 3-bet

08-17-2010 , 11:24 AM
Unfortunately I had no reads on UTG at this point, but UTG+1 is very loose, usually agro and spewy.


Feral Cow Poker
PokerStars Limit Triple Draw $0.10/$0.20 - 6 players

UTG: $6.87
UTG+1: $3.08
CO: $9.40 (Hero)
Button: $3.85
SB: $1.90
BB: $1.46

Dealing Hands: ($0.15) (6 players)
UTG calls $0.10, UTG+1 calls $0.10, Hero raises to $0.20, 3 folds, UTG calls $0.10, UTG+1 calls $0.10

First Draw: ($0.75) (3 players)
UTG discards 1, UTG+1 discards 3, Hero discards 1,
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UTG bets $0.10, UTG+1 calls $0.10, Hero calls $0.10

Second Draw: ($1.05) (3 players)
UTG stands, UTG+1 discards 1, Hero discards 1,
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UTG bets $0.20, UTG+1 folds, Hero raises to $0.40, UTG raises to $0.60, Hero calls $0.20

Third Draw: ($2.25) (2 players)
UTG stands, Hero discards 1,
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UTG bets $0.20, Hero calls $0.20


Pretty much an info call on the end to see what the f he would take this line with.

Should I have just frozen after the 2nd draw? In hindsight, we are HU now and 87642 probably isn't a hand to try and get many bets in the pot against an unknown...
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08-17-2010 , 01:50 PM
I would say standard is to freeze, at those low levels though u are usually beat. you have to freeze and fold to a bet on the end some of the time not all the time though. With this many ppl coming along pre draw i will ditch the 8 because its such a crappy 8 draw. Dont know if its correct if anyone else want to weigh in on that i would be interested in what they have to say. after looking at it again you only got 2 ppl and you have position so i am on the fence about whether to ditch the 8 or not.

and also something to think about, the UTG guy calls then draws 1 so either he is clueless, has a rough draw or a nit. I have a feeling he is a nit so you need to give his bets way more credit. I assume he had a 7 given the action.

How do you respond when you open a 872x hand and get 3 bet typically?
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08-17-2010 , 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Fast_Prophet
and also something to think about, the UTG guy calls then draws 1 so either he is clueless, has a rough draw or a nit. I have a feeling he is a nit so you need to give his bets way more credit. I assume he had a 7 given the action.
this is the answer hes either rougher than you, or is a moron and has you smoked, either way, i dont think a break here is the right play, if youre going to break it you should just fold and save 2 bets
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08-17-2010 , 09:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Fast_Prophet
How do you respond when you open a 872x hand and get 3 bet typically?
Depends hugely on the player. If it was UTG+1 I'm 4-betting all day and drawing 1, and think there is a 50/50 chance he will draw 3...

I haven't really thought too much about the 872x before, so this is good. My standard is probably to 4-bet it because I want to 4-bet all my 1c, but I can see now that if I'm up against a particularly tight player (esp the nitty multi-tablers I've been seeing a lot lately) who's almost certainly only 3-betting w/ a 1c (that is probably better than mine), I'm better off flatting and drawing to the 7x2...

Anyway, villain in question showed up with a 97532, and it was kind of a good call because it allowed me to get extra bets in against him later, and draw wider with confidence, because he just kept patting those bad/should draw 9s and I definately made my two bets back.

I do think in the future, readless at these stakes, both breaking and freezing are actually equally likely to be correct. At .10/.20 it's far more common for villains to play good draws very passively than bad hands aggressively, but that does mean giving away a lot of equity in a good sized pot the times that I am wrong...
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