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02-03-2011 , 07:01 AM

dontsoff

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Hi everyone.

Poker Stars $0.50/$1.00 Limit 2-7 Triple Draw Lowball - 4 players - View hand 1154442
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Pre Draw: (1.5 SB) Hero is CO with A

Hero raises, BTN folds, SB folds, BB 3-bets, Hero calls

First Draw: (6.5 SB) (2 players)
BB draws 1, Hero draws 2
Hand: A

BB bets, Hero calls

Second Draw: (4.25 BB) (2 players)
BB draws 1, Hero draws 2
Hand: J

BB bets, Hero calls

Third Draw: (6.25 BB) (2 players)
BB draws 1, Hero draws 1
Hand: 7

BB checks, Hero bets, BB raises, Hero 3-bets

On the river opp took a strange line. If he had a value hand he must bet first. I drew 3,5 so I consider my bluff (betting in his check) was reasonable. But opp made a ch\r and for me it indicates bluff. I decided to 3bet. Was my 3bet ok or pure spew?
Or maybe it was better to call (maybe even raise) turn and fold to river bet?

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02-03-2011 , 07:40 AM

TheGusPair

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I don't hate it, but do you have any reads on this player? I think it's pretty spew unless you have a read that he has c/r bluffed in this kind of spot before.

And you're ahead of my river bluffing range here (don't think I have the c/r bluff in my game just yet though), so even a call could be correct? Costs you 1 less BB when you're wrong...

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02-03-2011 , 08:34 AM

dontsoff

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Originally Posted by TheGusPair

And you're ahead of my river bluffing range here (don't think I have the c/r bluff in my game just yet though), so even a call could be correct? Costs you 1 less BB when you're wrong...

I absolutely disagree with this.
If we call will show our range of calling c\r and every body will bet for value a very wide range, instead of checking. imo
we we both 1:1 after the 3d. If he had a value hand he had to bet himself to extract value from hand, otherwise he just wants me to fold hand.

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02-03-2011 , 09:04 AM

Faluzure

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At .5/1 most ppl lead bluffs otr

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02-03-2011 , 12:05 PM

gammoner

adept

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I vote spew. Either b/f or check this through.

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02-03-2011 , 12:21 PM

joewatch

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Looks like spew to me.

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02-03-2011 , 01:21 PM

Stryd0r

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Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 1,723

1:1 c/rs are so uncommon that it's usually someone getting tricky with a value hand than something randomly deciding to bluff. All because he should lead the river for value, doesn't he mean that he will; that's applying your own thought processes to an opponent who doesn't necessarily share them.

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02-03-2011 , 01:32 PM

Wamy Einehouse

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I vote spew. It's .5/1 - without specific reads you're just meta levelling yourself out of bets here.

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02-03-2011 , 02:18 PM

dontsoff

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so we give up and check behind or bet and fold to ch\raise?

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02-03-2011 , 02:29 PM

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spursman2150

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give up. the c/r bluff is pretty costly and most dont bluff this way so id say its mostly for value. I mean he should lead with strong value hands but if he thinks that you value bet thinly and dont fold much then i guess the check raise for value has some merit to balance the times he is superweak but with showdown value so he doesnt get valuetowned mercilessly.

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02-03-2011 , 06:35 PM

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Randomness28

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I don't think a bluff is mandatory here when checked to. You can win if he paired a 8,7,6 most 5s or made a straight or flush. It seems like 6-9 cards he could have drew on the river would likely make you the winner... I don't think your hand is quite bad enough to bluff. Further, you give opp the opportunity to change his mind and check raise bluff you...especially if you are letting off timing tells.

* I guess it should be factored in that good opps would lead with the hands that you beat so maybe checking is bad as it makes it too easy for villain with his small pairs A and K.

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