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2-7 TD .10 snow: good or spew 2-7 TD .10 snow: good or spew

09-21-2010 , 11:54 AM
Villians seemed solid and fairly aggressive for these stakes. I normally think that snowing at these stakes is spew but the villian who checked being a card ahead just screamed of weakness since ive never seen this villian do this before. thoughts?
Feral Cow Poker
PokerStars Limit Triple Draw $0.10/$0.20 - 4 players

Button: $4.00 (Hero)
SB: $1.40
BB: $0.89
UTG: $4.95

Dealing Hands: ($0.15) (4 players)
UTG calls $0.10, Hero calls $0.10, SB calls $0.05, BB checks

First Draw: ($0.40) (4 players)
SB discards 2, BB discards 2, UTG discards 3, Hero discards 3,
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SB checks, BB checks, UTG bets $0.10, Hero calls $0.10, SB calls $0.10, BB folds

Second Draw: ($0.70) (3 players)
SB discards 2, UTG discards 1, Hero discards 2,
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SB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $0.20, SB folds, UTG calls $0.20

Third Draw: ($1.10) (2 players)
UTG discards 1, Hero stands,

UTG checks, Hero bets $0.20,
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09-21-2010 , 12:15 PM
This is pretty bold, but given that UTG won't bet his hand after the second draw, you're probably right that he hates it and the pair cards help.
All that being said, calling pre is the worst of the 3 options. Either fold (best) or raise hoping the blinds will fold, which if I remember correctly doesn't happen very often at .1/.2 (which is why you should fold). I'd probably fold after the first draw given the pot is tiny and you are drawing two to an 87 at best.
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09-21-2010 , 12:17 PM
Anyone like my break here or should i have 3 bet the flop. Villian was pretty aggressive but I think most of the time i am beat here. If i three bet the flop and they call and pat theirs is still a decent chance i am valuetowning myself but i dont know. I figure my draw to the seven could give me better implied odds.

Cows play poker with cow chips
PokerStars Limit Triple Draw $0.10/$0.20 - 3 players

SB: $3.86 (Hero)
BB: $1.98
Button: $4.31

Dealing Hands: ($0.15) (3 players)
Button calls $0.10, Hero raises to $0.20, BB raises to $0.30, Button calls $0.20, Hero raises to $0.40, BB calls $0.10, Button calls $0.10

First Draw: ($1.25) (3 players)
Hero discards 1, BB discards 1, Button discards 2,
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Hero bets $0.10, BB raises to $0.20, Button folds, Hero calls $0.10

Second Draw: ($1.65) (2 players)
Hero discards 1, BB stands,
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Hero checks, BB bets $0.20, Hero calls $0.20

Third Draw: ($2.05) (2 players)
Hero discards 1, BB stands,
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Hero checks, BB bets $0.20, Hero folds

BB collected $1.91

(Rake: $0.09)
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09-21-2010 , 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by gammoner
This is pretty bold, but given that UTG won't bet his hand after the second draw, you're probably right that he hates it and the pair cards help.
All that being said, calling pre is the worst of the 3 options. Either fold (best) or raise hoping the blinds will fold, which if I remember correctly doesn't happen very often at .1/.2 (which is why you should fold). I'd probably fold after the first draw given the pot is tiny and you are drawing two to an 87 at best.
IMO Raising pre is pure spew because of the limper. I do fold mostly but every once in a while I do sneak in with a limp with a duece in my hand. Villian in question seems to draw i little on the rough side so I figured id peel the flop. OTT is draw almost has to be really good or really bad ( probably really bad) so i decide to go for it. Although i often see the mistake of villians not betting card ahead ott enough always afraid someone could be pat i guess.
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09-21-2010 , 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by spursman2150
IMO Raising pre is pure spew because of the limper. I do fold mostly but every once in a while I do sneak in with a limp with a duece in my hand. Villian in question seems to draw i little on the rough side so I figured id peel the flop. OTT is draw almost has to be really good or really bad ( probably really bad) so i decide to go for it. Although i often see the mistake of villians not betting card ahead ott enough always afraid someone could be pat i guess.
I think that having a limper before you makes this marginal hand even worse, because that means it's more likely your outs are gone, and you have the most drawing to do. Hopefully you're not ever open-limping!
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09-21-2010 , 05:26 PM
Raising is worst of the 3 options pre. Limping is 2nd worst. Folding is best.

It's a pretty good spot to snow, and a lot of players will not snow catch that light at micros.
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09-21-2010 , 06:29 PM
Strydor,
So, any situtation in which you would consider raising a limper and drawing 3? I think I've done this exactly once against a guy who was open-raising like 40-50% of his hands and then limped from HJ or CO, so I raised on the button with 227xx or something and we both drew 3. It felt dirty, and I really wasn't sure it was a good idea (though I was obviously the favorite after he drew 3).
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09-22-2010 , 11:25 AM
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Originally Posted by gammoner
Strydor,
So, any situtation in which you would consider raising a limper and drawing 3? I think I've done this exactly once against a guy who was open-raising like 40-50% of his hands and then limped from HJ or CO, so I raised on the button with 227xx or something and we both drew 3. It felt dirty, and I really wasn't sure it was a good idea (though I was obviously the favorite after he drew 3).
Theoretically if you encounter someone who open limps a very weak range like you described, I guess. It's just such a small edge to push it doesn't seem that worth it though. I definitely wouldn't do it with 82 either. The value of isolation isn't that great because the hand they're folding have so little shot of making a playable hand, but if they do have a hand you're just building a bigger pot with a 3 draw.
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