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150-300 TD hand at RIO 150-300 TD hand at RIO

06-20-2008 , 02:22 AM
sat down 5 minutes prior to hand, so not sure how either opponent plays, neither of them look like donkeys.

MP raises, Button calls, im dealt 2, 2, 4, 6 in the SB and call, BB calls.
BB draws three everyone else draws two.
i catch a 7 and bet, BB folds, MP raises, Button calls, I three-bet(??) they both call.
I brick and check (?) they both check. I catch a 3 for #2. Should i bet? go for checkraise?


when playing the hand i was thinking most of the decisions were close. what you guys think.
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06-20-2008 , 03:20 AM
did MP and button draw 1 post-3rd-draw?post-2nd-draw???
safest course would be to bet out...assuming either MP or button raises, you would call.

going for the check-raise would probably be ok here...if MP had a 1-card wheel
draw[7542,7532, or 7432], he'd usually bet out post-2nd-draw, sort of a continuation bet, if you will. Same for button.
At those stakes, i'm quite clueless, but theoretically, they'd call that 2nd bet with an 86 or an 85.

conventional wisdom for us lower-limit grinders dictates stopping @ 3 bets w/ this... you've got a winner in 80%+ of all instances, a chop in 10%+.
[rough estimates]

however... if EITHER ONE OF THEM pats post-3rd-draw,
just bet out and call, no more than 2 bets... in this case, villain
might be slow-rolling a wheel.

Last edited by spike420211; 06-20-2008 at 03:28 AM.
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06-20-2008 , 03:45 AM
they both took 1 card on the second draw


if MP takes 1 and Button takes 2 on second draw is it an obv bet?
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06-20-2008 , 06:00 AM
i think you played the hand very well up to this point. i would mix it up here between betting and checking though i would lean towards betting because there is always the chance that he may raise. given how strongly you've played your draw should be obviously a wheel draw so if you checkraise your hand just looks super strong and i wouldn't be surprised at all if people were able to fold a good 9 or even a 87.
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06-20-2008 , 09:17 AM
3 betting flop ain't so good.. don't try to c/r the end
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06-20-2008 , 11:43 AM
parlay and jck8,
now that i know that MP took 1 on the final draw,
i think that betting out is the best option... if MP raises,
then ur only committed to 2 bets.
Considering button took 2 on the last draw, i suspect MP's best hand before
3rd draw to be 7632, he's all u got 2 worry about.
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06-24-2008 , 05:32 AM
very good value in your 3bet imo. always punish the people drawing 2 when you are tied with someone else. i like going for a checkraise here in the current game environment. as for the correct play in theory, that im really not sure. playing the river correctly in td is very very hard to do, but 1 reason to do it in theory is that in a vacuum, you would get raised on this river by a wider range than what people are currently doing in live games. because of that going for a bet/3bet isnt quite as likely. of course on the flipside, i think people bluff less than they should in river scenarios in triple draw so that means youre less likely to get someone to invest a bluff bet on the river than correct in a vacuum. perhaps they offset each other a little bit so its probably not worth posting, but i already typed it out and the random tangent strategy included seems worth sharing.

aside from that, checkraising your 7s here while betting out with your 8s seems like a pretty decent balance strategy because at least you arent always checking here with hands worse than an 8. the only downside to splitting how you play your 7s and 8s completely different in this balance setting is that you allow your opponent to value raise a wider range of 8s when you bet out since you cannot have a 7.

Last edited by Michael DeMichele; 06-24-2008 at 05:56 AM.
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06-25-2008 , 12:21 AM
Just keep it simple and bet 3-bet turn.

The flop jam for value is good because, unless BB is really fishy, one of your active opponents doesn't have a deuce in his hand, so you probably have good equity (MP should be raising all of his 1 card draws + pat hands).

Another thing in favor of the jam is that position is not nearly as big of a deal in 3-handed pots as in hu pots, because you don't have as many tough OOP pat/break decisions against two opponents going 1-1, since you're not considering patting a J or T.
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