Apolgize for not using the converter, but it doesn't work for Triple Draw.
Player zevik and mangal65 both are from the same small part of the world. I have never seen them in any 3x draw, much less $10-20.....and they both sat down together. I was chatting to them about what, in my opinion was obvious collusion, before this hand even started and you can see it in the chat portion of this hand history.
Sharing information? You be the judge!

Full Tilt Poker Game #29120222969: Table Sage Flat (6 max) - $10/$20 - Limit 2-7 Triple Draw - 00:20:42 ET - 2011/03/18
Seat 1: tommybacsi ($102.50)
Seat 2: zevik ($338)
Seat 3: Hero ($475)
Seat 4: Berry Johnston ($300)
Seat 5: OnTheRail15 ($815)
Seat 6: mangal65 ($362)
Hero posts the small blind of $5
Berry Johnston posts the big blind of $10
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero [6h 2h 5d 5h 9c]
OnTheRail15 folds
mangal65 calls $10
tommybacsi folds
zevik calls $10
Hero has 15 seconds left to act
Hero: colluding fellas?
Hero calls $5
Berry Johnston checks
*** FIRST DRAW *** (Pot: $40)
Hero discards 2 cards [5h 9c]
Berry Johnston discards 3 cards
mangal65 discards 3 cards
zevik discards 3 cards
Dealt to Hero [6h 2h 5d] [4s Tc]
Berry Johnston is dealt 3 cards
mangal65 is dealt 3 cards
zevik is dealt 3 cards
Hero has 15 seconds left to act
Hero bets $10
Berry Johnston folds
mangal65 folds
zevik calls $10
*** SECOND DRAW *** (Pot: $60)
Hero discards 1 card [Tc]
zevik discards 1 card
Dealt to Hero [6h 2h 5d 4s] [6s]
zevik is dealt 1 card
Hero checks
zevik bets $20
Hero calls $20
*** THIRD DRAW *** (Pot: $100)
Hero discards 1 card [6s]
zevik stands pat
Dealt to Hero [6h 2h 5d 4s] [Qc]
Hero checks
zevik bets $20
Hero folds
Uncalled bet of $20 returned to zevik
zevik mucks
Hero: lol....that hand just got sent to support
zevik wins the pot ($97)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $100 | Rake $3
Seat 1: tommybacsi folded before the Draw (didn't bet)
Seat 2: zevik (button) collected ($97), mucked
Seat 3: Hero (small blind) folded after the 3rd Draw
Seat 4: Berry Johnston (big blind) folded after the 1st Draw
Seat 5: OnTheRail15 folded before the Draw (didn't bet)
Seat 6: mangal65 folded after the 1st Draw

I have never posted a poll on here before (so not sure if I am doing it correctly), but please feel free to share your opinion with a yes vote for collusion or no vote against.

Am I missing something? The mengal65 guy folded after the first draw and your other colluder simply looks like he hit a hand (or less likely, was bluffing).

I am tired and full of generic brand macaroni and cheese though.

WTF

never played this game but know the rules, am i missing something? u drew on 2nd and 3rd draw and didnt improve so he stood pat on 3rd indicating a made hand better than urs or simply a bluff spot. u c/f river. he colluded?

You guys are missing the point. In over 10,000 hands of $10-20+ 3x draw, I have never seen this pre-draw sequence. First, I can't tell you when the last time I saw a player limp and draw 3. Second, I have never, and I mean ever seen 2 players do it in the same hand. Forget about everything after the first draw. It is standard and meaningless.
For those who have never played 3x draw and a decent level....3-6 or higher, please refrain from commenting, as some knowledge of the game is necessary to speak coherently about the hand.

1 hand? srsly?

I have played thousands of hands of 30/60 2-7 TD on Stars as well as some 5/10 and 10/20. This hand proves absolutely nothing. It barely even suggests anything. People are terrible at poker and terrible at 2-7 TD so if they want to limp and draw 3 then the far more likely outcome is that they suck at the game rather than they are colluding.

Also do you really think they would collude AFTER YOU SAID "colluding?" in chat?!

Report it to Stars and they can investigate but I would bet good money that they were not colluding based on this hand.

Posting the hand here is only going to lead to you being mocked and ridiculed.

played about 100 hands with these 2.....both from Isreal....both sit down within 5 minutes of each other. Both make same bad...non-standard looking plays. There are over 50,000 players on FT right now. You know how many are playing 10-20 or bigger 3x draw. About 20-30. So, yes, I only posted one hand history. Because for anyone who has played this game at a high level. This hand would be enough.

Man am I surprised at how many stupid replies I am getting!!!

I have been making 6 figures plus annually soley from playing....so really not worried about getting "mocked an ridiculed".

And I didn't say collude until after their pre-draw action in this hand......learning how to read a hand history might prove helpful to you in the future.

You are letting your lack of control(tilt) cloud reality in all probability. You are just mad because you lost to someone who limp and drew 3.

It looks like the game is passive, thus increasing the chance rare things such as limping very light occur.

Since you claim to be knowledgeable about the game, you are the one who needs to present his/her case, because you are the one who made the thread.

Isn't it just as likely you were blessed with recreational players with disposable income sitting in your game to try it out and you don't realize it.

For collusion to even be in question here, one of the players would have to go post-first draw to use any kind of information they have/don't have as an edge.

I am a nobody but I believe you are missing the point. Just because in your world nobody would sit down this high without being an expert doesnt mean that is the case for everyone.

Explain how collusion gained an edge and gave someone a chance to win they otherwise wouldn't and I will leave you be and apologize. You jumped to the "conclusion" before the hand was played just because they were both from [insert country here].

You said it after they limped but BEFORE they discarded. Therefore you could not have known they were drawing 3. Your reason for thinking they were colluding was that they limped and drew 3 and that you had never seen that before, let alone seen it twice in the same hand. Then why did you say "colluding fellas?" BEFORE you saw either of them discard?

Really? Lol.

If you think two players might be colluding, the absolute WORST way to handle it is to point it out at the table, or make a public post about it. Report them to the site and if the site doesn't deal with it, then go public.

All you're doing with this thread is tipping them off if they are colluding, or tarnishing their reputations if they're not.

I have played this game at a much higher level than you in this hand and I am telling you right now that this hand is not enough. You are an idiot if you think that it is.

E-mail stars about this situation and let them investigate. Close this ridiculous thread. It will go nowhere.

I don't think emailing Stars will help OP much.

lol it's cool to ask advice and then continuously berate those who give their opinions

I hope colluders take you for everything.

The notion that complete and utter morons can make 6 figs a year at poker gives me hope

Don't **** with the Mossad. So is it beyond the realms of possibility that they are just bad players?

Seriously dude - one hand?

Converted hand for anybody else who comes along:

Full Tilt Poker $10/$20 Limit 2-7 Triple Draw Lowball - 6 players
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

Pre Draw: (1.5 SB) Hero is SB with 9 6 5 5 2
UTG folds, MP calls, CO folds, BTN calls, Hero calls, BB checks

First Draw: (4 SB) (4 players)
Hero draws 2, BB draws 3, MP draws 3, BTN draws 3
Hand: T 6 5 4 2
Hero bets, BB folds, MP folds, BTN calls

Second Draw: (3 BB) (2 players)
Hero draws 1, BTN draws 1
Hand: 6 6 5 4 2
Hero checks, BTN bets, Hero calls

Third Draw: (5 BB) (2 players)
Hero draws 1, BTN stands pat
Hand: Q 6 5 4 2
Hero checks, BTN bets, Hero folds

I'm guessing you just started playing on FTP? Limping is insanely common, even in the midstakes games. And the button overlimping to draw 3 is incredibly standard.

ETA: since they're still at the table, it's easy for me to check - I haven't played with either of them either, for whatever that's worth.

My bad, I have Stars-O-Vision these days.

E-mail FTP OP. I'm not sure how good their collusion department is compared to Stars but it has to do more good than creating this thread.

I've been watching a bit, and they're certainly not colluding by getting into pots together. OP would suggest they're not colluding by avoiding each other either. Whether they might be cardsharing isn't something I'm going to be able to tell.

ETA: yeah, at this point I'm convinced that mangal is just really passive. The game isn't even all that good.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/21/draw-other-poker/

Wow this thread is amazing.

its definitely collusion.

wasnt there a cheating group from kazakhstan at one point that used this exact same limp and draw 3 strategy to cheat people out of millions?

Is this a level?

I do not believe you.