Please don't get in the habit of saying this out loud where there's even the slimmest chance this could get back to someone who might stroke their chin and say "good idea"

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All that said, it was a pretty entertaining match (I mean the crowd sounded about 60% Cena haters and still gave up the "this is awesome"), but seems such a waste to bury Cena for such a cheap pop.

Speaking of buried, that's all for Ryback for now, right?

I hope so. He couldn't get over with Heyman as his manager and fueding with Punk, he sucks.

So this Big Show thing is just a quick "Thanks man, now go retire", right?

Fine with Bryan taking a break from getting screwed over for the WWE Title if it means him winning the Rumble, and the title, at Wrestlemania.

Having nightmares now about when Big Show was the one to end Brock Lesnar's undefeated streak for the WWE Title...at Survivor Series...

I can’t understand anyone that was okay with what happened last night. Sandow beat the hell out of Cena’s already injured arm then starts a match that Cena was not ready for. Then during the match, Cena kicks out of both of Sandow’s finishers and powers out of a crossface on the bad arm.

It says that Sandow is inferior to a literally one-armed Cena who had no time to prepare for the match. As Jim said, the “successfully defense of a surprise MITB cash in” could have been a career defining moment for somebody. Instead, it’s a minor feather in the cap of a guy who has dozens of bigger accomplishments.


He didn’t have to drop the title.

Picture this: During the match, somebody (preferably some NXT guy but could be some repackaged WWE guy not doing anything) saves Cena and causes a DQ. He talks about how he’s a big Cena fan and doesn’t want to see him lose the belt.

Sandow loses the MITB but doesn’t look weak, Cena can act indignant saying that he didn’t need or want any help, the WHC retains its elevated status by staying on Cena, and you elevate a brand new person as an auxiliary in a main event feud.

Obviously this. We spent so long begging for a long term story and now we seem to be in one people are freaking the **** out for no reason.

If they are building long term with Bryan winning the Rumble to take on Orton at Mania it means he has to lose the title and then get pushed out of the scene for a while. Tagging with Punk to mini-feud with the two randoms I dont care enough to learn the names of to overall elevate Bray is the perfect use of them for the next couple of months.

Big Slow is positioned perfectly to elevate Orton who hasnt exactly looked strong given his "face of the company" and top champ role.

Meanwhile Cena on Smackdown is like the best creative decision in years. Sandow cashing and losing means nothing at this point, maybe he failed a wellness and needed some punishment or maybe they will use the loss to create a story behind him chasing Cena after ADR drops out of the picture which could be cool if obviously not too logical.

Orton is a terrible choice for top heel, but since they turn any heel that actually can talk or has charisma at all into a face no matter how ill suited they are to being in a face role I'm not sure I can ask for better. "The crowd is turning you" doesn't apply to all wrestlers.

I'll admit, however, that this is made slightly better by the fact that HHH/Steph are the top heels in a way or at least 1b.

Sandow is forever the first guy to cash in MITB on an injured guy and lose. One thing wrestling fans remember is firsts like this, and it is likely to be a talking point on promos. Unless they have a very good reason Sandow should not be in the long term plans it was a myopic move.

Big Show is perfectly positioned to never be in the main event picture again.

I could be wrong but it seems way more likely to me that they're building to Big Show/HHH rather than Orton/Big Show.

this this this

orton is 2/3 of the best wrestler ever and 1/3 of the worst ever. a lot of this angle is seriously hurt by the fact that he meatheads through every single promo he gives, which is fine if they never let him talk, but unfortunately they do

problem is i don't know who else you could really put in his place. maybe ziggler? i guess u coulda done rhodes although the path they've gone with him has been pretty strong since he's pretty damn over as a face (which is rare as hell)

I'd rather have Ziggler or Rhodes (if Rhodes wasn't doing great as a face) but perhaps nobody on the roster is great for this role. Personally I would have just kept Punk a heel for close to a solid decade, although I don't know how he would fit into a story like this.

this works for me.

Outside the box a little but isn't Reigns the best up an coming heel? I'd also mark the **** out if they turned Cesaro (back?) into arrogant euro heel and let him run with it.

I just remembered the absolute silliest thing about CENAWINS: the commercial at the next break was for the MITB DVD. Which only mattered 3ppvs ago and as another way to enhance cena 2nd hand.

Not sure doing basically the same thing over and over and over again every week/ppv for a really long time counts as a long term story though.

Also, I have figured out what they're doing with the Brays. They're just going to have them randomly beat up someone new every week in the hope that they will eventually find a combination that gets a reaction from the audience and then stick with that.

Any chance this ends with DB/HHH at WM?

Big Show beats Orton for the title. HHH gets mad, verbally buries Orton and everyone else on the roster by saying he's the only one that can be the face of the WWE. HHH goes over Show, Bryan wins the rumble. HHH/Bryan for the face of the company championship at mania. Bryan probably loses and wins the title in a 3-way dance by pinning whoever isnt HHH at the next PPV. I don't think it's that far fetched.

Lol

curtis axel has now held the IC title longer than both of Owen Hart's reigns combined.

if axel is still champ end of november, he will have passed the following as well:

ric flair
rick rude
dolph ziggler
chris benoit
diesel

also, does lesnar have any matches left on his contract?

I'm not the biggest Big Slow fan by any measure but in small doses he is entertaining and he is the ideal enhancement guy having spent 20 years as a main event wrestler putting people over thanks to his size keeping him legit and over with the crowd.

His finisher is all kinds of lolbad and I cant think of a single promo he has cut that was really good but he is exactly what Orton needs to tip over the top.

BTW I reckon the short term here is Slow vs Orton and the longer term is Slow vs Kane (pt 205180458). I guess the short term for Bryan is tagging with Punk vs the Bray group or he will take on Kane, either way I think that is a good use of DB in the run up to the Rumble which he is easily the fave to win. I dont think HHH will step back in the ring outside of WM.

I'm one of the guys who can post Big Shows bail.

I'm pretty sure he does. 2 perhaps.

I remember reading somewhere that Lesnar signed a 3 year deal after Mania.

Orton just feuded with Big Show earlier this year and it did nothing for him. Nobody cared about Big Show until this recent gigantic push which could have been far better used on somebody else.