ugh.

That doesn't feel like a huge loss to me. Hopefully he can get a cooler finisher than the curb stomp.

A lot of the setups look a bit too obvious but when it's done right it's pretty cool.

By the way, **** this stupid model of the WWE's where faces almost never submit to a finisher. That's ridiculous. Fighting hard but ultimately succumbing to a submission finisher is the type of thing that naturally builds sympathy for a wrestler, so why the hell not have the people who you want as the sympathetic characters be on that end of it sometimes?

(The above isn't that random. I thought, "Maybe a submission finisher would be cool for Rollins ... Oh, wait, he's a heel, and heels shouldn't have those in WWE because nobody will tap out to them." Then I was annoyed.)

Yeah, it isnt a big loss. A "finisher" really isnt a good one when it relies on the opponent to get in the proper position on his own for it to work.

Perhaps they should have thought about that before doing it at WM to crown him as champ or wait until after he loses the belt to implement that ban.

My bull**** detector is running pretty high on this one.

I don't think this one is bull**** when we'll likely see a different finish tonight. Pretty stupid thing to make-up and on Monday, make it up on a Tuesday if you're going to. I'd be astonished if it isn't true because of that and the ridiculous state of the WWE.

Since when have main event faces ever consistently tapped out? Plenty of midcard faces (Kofi, Swagger, etc.) Tap out all the time. Passing out is one thing, but what justification is their for a potential rematch or extending of a feud if the face taps out clean?

I think the move is pretty terrible and was expecting him to get a new finisher because of that. I guess the head injury thing also makes sense, though.

They haven't at any point in my lifetime. It's pretty bad that I have to think back to HBK-Angle at WM 21 for a single example. I think Orton once tapped to Del Rio when Orton was being punished or something. But anyway, this is and always has been exceedingly rare, and that's what I'm objecting to.

I'm not really drawing the connection. Tap-outs by heels routinely happen in mid-feud, right? Just not top faces, because they don't tap out ~ever.

Heel Daniel Bryan would tap to the Anaconda Vice, but face Daniel Bryan never ever ever would. That's completely absurd. They're still all supposed to be human beings.

The majority of my objection is that Rusev will put <insert top face here> in The Accolade, and my reaction will be "**** you, stop wasting my time with this spot. Can we fast forward to the part where the face breaks out of it, since that will literally always happen?" Likewise for Flair with the figure-four for a lot of his career, Daniel Bryan with the Yes Lock when he was a heel, etc.

They're booking themselves out of being able to have every wrestler of every affiliation be able to have a wider move set.

The country has such a norm against 'quitting' that tapping out potentially could hurt a top face. It depends on the face though to an extent at least. Superhero/cartoon faces like Hogan, Warrior and Cena; no, they can't tap out without risking merch sales. For my own enjoyment, sure, I'd love to see faces tap out more and lose more in general. I'd love to see matches end on way more different moves so they don't devolve into a kick out of finisher fest to elicit emotion and drama. I'm a bit surprised Cena has lost as many matches as he has, because the top good guy stands triumphant at the end of just about every movie, and very rarely does a cartoon episode end with a bad guy standing over a defeated top face.

Agree that curb stomp is a crummy finisher. Good riddance

I think it's a fine move, but shouldn't be called the curbstomp since there's no curb, and the setup is fairly contrived. Not nearly as bad as the 619 or the stinkface or whatever Zack Ryder does.

The WWE hears your concerns and thinks your on to something. Expect the tag team and IC champs to start tapping out to heels cleanly regularly.

Top faces coming out on top in most feuds is fine, I guess. I mean, it's stupid, but they can work with it and have it be alright. But having them be invincible to ever tapping out is something that even kids will pick up on after they've watched for long enough. It kills the drama in someone heroically fighting his way out of a hold that nobody else can break if every top face can break it every time.

As with all of these things, I feel like the primary barrier is "this is how we've always done it, so **** you."

I think you hit it on the head when you say that the reason is "this is how we've always done it". The only problem I have with that is, WWE has cherry picked certain traditions they will keep and others they wont even if they contradict themselves. I understand not wanting your top "faces" to tap out, but when you really dont have any heels anymore, there really is no reason to keep that alive. Although I put the blame as much if not more on the wrestlers for that than management.

The reason it was done in the past was because you had clearly defined faces and heels,and it was understood that the faces would always out wrestle the heels and the only way for a heel to go over was to break the rules. So it was rare when a babyface was even put in to a heels submission move. Currently, because for whatever reason, every wrestler has to get all of their moves in every match regardless of the situation. So the instances of faces being in the "heel's" submission hold has gone up exponentially. So like just about everything else with today's wrestling it has become cliche to not tapout.

I know I went on a bit of a rambling tangent but I hope I made my thought clear.

It does harm the drama, but from a business standpoint some people surely watch it for some kind of morality confirmation and/or comfort as well.

Probably in until I see cenas opponent

Orton picking steel cage over hell in a cell is lol

Would be quite funny if in a match where Ortons finisher is kayfabe banned, Rollins finisher is legit banned

Orton must be planning to go over with the Angle Slam.

Isn't the curb stomp named after American History X? Always considered it extremely racist anyways