Man, it would've been great to have during the Attitude Era, having someone like Lesnar or Eddie come down with the briefcase after the face Champion lost a match, just wail on them with a steel chair, bust them open, hit a finisher or two, then cash the briefcase in and win it. Still cowardly for taking advantage, but at least they destroy the champion themselves, and definitely get more heat for it while looking strong, too.

MitB has become a cliché. They were trying something differrent with Bryan, but nah. Everyone is cashing it in the same way. So everytime a champion gets a beatdown the crowd is chanting for a MitB cashin. The allure Edge had is gone.

what else are they supposed to do to get the title on heels? let them actually win a match? come on.

mitb cash-in is a thousand times better than the ridiculous stipulations they come up with otherwise. "ok randy orton has no history of getting DQ'd, but we'll make this match so that if he is DQ'd, he loses the title. then we'll have him DQ himself for no reason. and we'll give the belt back to him at the next ppv"

so many ways... there was a long time before mitb that they had to answer that question

bank cena and adr and let adr challenge someone straight up and suddenly unpredictability is back

look who we have to thank for one of the coolest finishers ever

Yes.

Also those fake palms trees were ****ing huge. Much bigger then they appeared watching it.

EDIT: I see he still found a way to soapbox about Funkasaurus being racist.

fyp

They could also have a surprise/out of nowhere win for HHH or Khali, that doesn't mean it would make any sense.

Lol, Johnny Ace being responsible for creating the F5 with Brock is an awesome piece of trivia.

Re: heels and the case, the problem isnt MITB or even how the heels use it to cash in on prone opponents, the problem is that after they win they tend to be booked like ****.

Miz booked like **** inc barely beating Lawler = terrible title reign
ADR booked like **** inc taking the belt off him quick to "make Cena look strong" = terrible title reign turned into two terrible title reigns
Punk booked like **** as a face not beating anyone clean iirc = terrible title reign
Punk booking himself writing his own promos feuding with Jeff Hardy in his second cash in = awesome title reign (that ended **** against Taker though, lol)
Bryan being booked really well (we dont know how much input he had) = awesome title reign (that ended **** against Sheamus though, lol)

Even Edge's cash in on Cena created a 21 day title reign, people strongly overestimate how good his MITB reign was. His second MITB reign was better ending at 70 days due to a pectoral tear that made him vacate.

Moving outside of MITB for first tile reigns we have Sheamus who won at TLC and then dropped at the EC for a 70 day entire unconvincing first run. Jeff Hardy in 2008 had his first world title run lasting 41 days before Edge beat him for the title. Khali got a 61 day title reign defending once by losing via DQ then he lost the title at the next PPV in a triple threat involving Batista and for no reason whatsoever Rey Mysterio (i remember not understanding why Rey was in that match at all other than to just give Batista an easy pin, i dont recall if he did or not though).

Basically, long story short, WWE is terrible at booking first title reigns. Even with veterans who have been with them for the better part of a decade. MITB isnt really responsible for this.

Wow that is a really long list of terrible booking and you didn't even mention Swagger's reign which was probably the worst of the lot and hurt him the most or Ziggler's which lasted a day.

Thought Punk beat JBL clean at Summerslam for his first title reign, then pretty much forfeited it without getting pinned to keep him strong (somewhat?) even though he dived back to midcard after that.

RVD's reign was cut short because he got caught Evan Bourne-ing, and he had to drop two titles and get buried because of it

Yeah, forgot entirely about Ziggler and Swagger. WWE is just pure aids for first title reigns for some reason.

However, it wasn't back in the 80's when they gave Hulk Hogan a first title reign of four years and a year-long first title reign to Randy Savage as well. The only weakly-booked world title run in that whole decade was Iron Sheik losing the belt after three weeks, and that was a deliberate transition from one babyface world champion to another back before face vs. face was done on a regular basis.

I dont remember the exact run but i do remember Punk looking really weak and at least one of his title defences was beating either Batista or Kane when the other came into the match to hit a finisher on them. Punk may have won the title clean off JBL, i dont recall at all. Him losing it by forfeit before some kind of multi way match (one of the Adamle four way things IIRC) was pure aids though.

RVD was known for smoking weed and they did (or still do) just pay fines when caught (i think Bourne got done cos he was smoking that fake weed chemical ****). RVD's big deal was he got negative publicity as he and someone else (Sandman or Sabu iirc) got pulled over by cops while carrying and it made some waves on TMZ or a similar website. I left RVD off cos its not really a fair comparison either way to bring him into the conversation but if he werent caught driving on a highway (no pun) while carrying and it got publicity he could have been a solid exception to the rule that first title reigns are booked weakly in the WWE.

Oh yeah, my point doesnt really go further back than around a decade, possibly less (maybe more though if i cared enough to do research). Just that within the MITB age first reigns were always booked weak so its not really MITB that is causing it, its correlated not causational.

the initial planned matches for WM29:



when discussing this plz ffs use spoiler tags

4 year title runs were the norm when Tuesday in Texas was considered the 4th biggest PPV of the year.

We should probably move this discussion to the spoilers thread, it's going to be too hard to keep posting in spoilers.

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Tuesday in Texas was a one-time thing and was the 5th biggest out of five.

Mania
Rumble
SummerSlam
Survivor Series
(special Tuesday in Texas PPV)

WM 29 Title Match