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On the bright side. Only still watching because I'm in the aforementioned tourney that started 4 hours ago . In money, over average, and gonna take this **** down.

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What's 1st place pay?

$2k. $11 tourney.

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That's an interesting primary headline that they're running with.

you might be the funniest man ive met on the internets.

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Thanks guys. Busted 59th. Just getting some experience in tourneys for the OPS coming up on Carbon. Saving my bink for one of those 22 or 33 dollars for $5k+

spend all match explaining that any move resets the lights, all moves have reset the lights.

it's 3-3, cena AA's rusev, lights don't get reset lol cena wins.

Ended up watching that blizzard game on espn 2 for part of this, that actually was entertaining despite even worse commentary than wrestling announcers. (they took over 2 minutes to explain what best of 5 meant, saying the score that we can all see 100 times, and explaining from there repeatedly how a team can win the match 100 times, and obligatory incredibly stupid sports lines (it's just like a slam dunk from basketball!, though I don't remember boxing logic but it had to happen about 40 times that my mind glossed over).

*shrug* That's modern WWE: even the lights kick out of finishers at PPVs

Would love to see the Sky Sports Box Office subs to this.

just caught up with this on the network

barrett/neville was good but LOL COMMERCIAL BREAK
ambrose/harper was at least moderately entertaining
ziggler/sheamus was aids
tag match was ok in places but wtf at that divas finish
strap matches are always aids but that finish was so stupid
skipped the divas match
reigns/show was terrible
rollins/orton was awful booking

i'd cancel the network but i already cancelled the network

Haven't watched yet but lol at less than 2 and a half pages. Guess I won't get my hopes up.

i pretty much liked every match at this ppv.... you guys shouldn't be so negative

I don't understand why people who skew positive on the current product seem to have this fascination with converting people to their side. I certainly can't imagine trying to convince you to enjoy the show less.

i'm not trying to force you to enjoy stuff you don't enjoy

i'm simply saying that if you beforehand say something is going to suck then guess what it will. you're skewing yourself to only see the bad things instead of the good things

for example I also noticed the cena AA didn't reset the lights and he could win that way but i actually enjoyed the match as a whole. (not saying that these mistakes are good and they definitely should book this better).

there were good things and there were bad things but focusing on the bad will result in you guys hating the product

This isn't even close to being true.

If anything, lowered expectations result more frequently in nice surprises if it turns out not to be so bad.

saying the big show vs reigns is going to be a 1,5* match will result in you trying to justify that comment by looking at the bad things and ignoring the good things.

being negative beforehand certainly affects how you would see something in a negative way.

...no. Everyone, or at least almost everyone, really wants the product to be awesome. I can't name a regular poster here who strikes me as feeling any differently than that. The fact that WWE often leaves us with "congregate here and make fun of the product" as our only way of enjoying it is just a reflection of (in our consensus opinion) the state of what they're trotting out these days.

People were far more positive about WM after the show than they were before it, to cite a recent example.

I do agree with this to some degree, however I will say that there is a certain segment of fans both here and everywhere who believe that either a match or show was great or it was the ****s. But I guess that is just people's nature in general

Yeah I would agree with this, there's this and there's the fact that people will base ~90% of their show grade on how they feel right at the end of the main event, but these are effects that cut both ways. That's why, when you have a really good show, you can come into the event thread right afterward and find some posters (read: Dylan) calling it the GOAT.

I usually try to be more moderate, but in any case, if people are likely to swing to one extreme or the other, it's up to the company to put on a legitimately good show. Or at least a legitimately good main event.

They should be more worried about people like me who didn't even bother to watch because I was just that certain it was going to be AIDS and wasn't going to advance anything meaningful anyway.

If I could snap my fingers to change my attitude and make something more enjoyable to me, I would pick something that got me paid or laid, not watching 'entertainment'. In any case the assumption that people have full and easy control over something like that is absurd. Hence the lyric "I wish I was like you. Easily amused."

I haven't watched an episode of Raw for about a year. In fact, the only WWE shows I've watched are WM, RR and Total Divas (other half watches it along with TOWIE, that's my excuse). I often listen to a wrestling podcast while I'm working out (Austin, JR, Cabana, The whole f*ng show). I also read the odd wrestling book from time to time. Just as the joke goes that most Americans get their news from comedians like John Stewart, the only reason I'm still vaguely familiar with what's actually going on in WWE is through the Mark Remark.

Not sure whether my viewing habits are really all that much of an outlier. I suspect most fans, upon reaching their mid 20s, start to enjoy the more intellectual side (possibly an overstatement there!) of wrestling, i.e. the business, the backstage politics, analysis of the product etc. Time is also a factor. I could easily spend a couple of hours every week watching Raw when I was a teenager, but it's not really practical now. 3 hour Raws are completely out of the question.

I think the WWE should start to produce programming specifically for fans like me (obviously an absurdly egocentric thing to say but hear me out), i.e. if there were a 30 minute show every week covering the kind of topics I alluded to, I would certainly be a regular viewer, as would most of this forum I suspect. They need to diversify their product. Total Divas is obviously a step in this direction, covering the whole 'reality tv' genre. They also ventured into comedy in the past with the Bobby Heenan Show.

Instead of 5 hours a week (3 hours raw, 2 hours smackdown) of the same, tired old, thrown together at the last minute 'we've seen all of this before' wrestling show, how about using some of that time for a different kind of programming? Vince always sells himself as a 'revolutionary' who constantly goes against convention, and breaks new ground. The current product does anything but.