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Originally Posted by Fossilkid93
If you think about it, the idea of botches is kinda strange. Like these are supposed to fights more or less, and in real fights people miss kicks/punches, they screw up slams, b/c their opponent is trying to avoid damage. Maybe that makes it feel more real in a way.
This particularly informed my watch of the Punk-MJF match. Not so much in botches, but in the way they sold the moves and had slow, exhausted pauses in between a bunch of spots. In the moment, it's not the most enjoyable thing to watch. But as I stand back to appreciate it, it boosted the reality of the match. If you imagine that two dudes are dropped into a dog-collar match as an actual shoot, that seemed like a really solid take on what it could look like.
I do agree more generally too about botches actually being a good thing sometimes for similar reasons.
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Originally Posted by Fossilkid93
Your ratings are almost exactly what I'd have said.
That tag match just sucked, and I say that as someone who doesn't mind an occasional match that's more choreography and unrealistic moves than a usual wrestling match. I loved The Bucks/Lucha Bros cage match for example. But that tag match was a turd imo
Right, I loved the Bucks/Lucha Bros. cage match too, it provided good confirmation of why it can still be good to stay locked in and watch the Young Bucks do their thing. But even on a relative spotfest scale, this wasn't even a particularly good spotfest. Nothing new was brought to the table in terms of the spots themselves, and two near-falls got blown because the ref had to hesitate before making the count, giving away that a kickout was coming. Surely one of the wrestlers' faults for being too far out of position rather than being the ref's fault.
To expand a bit on "nothing new was brought to the table": that part is not so much a criticism of the wrestlers as it is a criticism of spotfests in general in the year 2022. I loved them at one time when Rey Mysterio Jr. and the luchadores came to WCW, but it's been done. It's exhausted. There are just only so many moves you can do. That's why psychology and storytelling has to be the bedrock for good wrestling matches the overwhelming majority of the time.