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10-24-2012 , 03:38 AM

phunkphish

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I play in an uncapped PLO game. I want to add $1000 to my stack. Say I want to pull out 10 black chips and put them into my stack; or 10 $100 bills into my pile of bills. Is there any etiquette or rule saying I should inform the players or dealer that I'm adding to my stack? I've had players complain that I have more money than they thought I did, but I don't think I'm doing anything wrong.

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10-24-2012 , 04:20 PM

Angrist

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Obviously you can't do it while you're in a hand.

I'm not sure of what the exact rules are/would be (house specific right?).
But I'd make eye contact with the dealer and tell him "I'm adding on" and then add the chips. I wouldn't say a number.
That way the dealer's got my back if anyone questions it, and if players aren't paying attention ... too bad for them.

10-24-2012 , 06:27 PM

ohmyrage

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You should definitely announce that you are adding on
just throwing an extra $1000 on the table with no one knowing sure seems shady, and if no one knows whose to say you didn't put them on mid hand

10-24-2012 , 07:54 PM

nuisance

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If I'm adding on I'll usually at least let the dealer know and in the process most players will hear you as well.

10-24-2012 , 08:01 PM

serio562

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Tell the dealer.

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10-25-2012 , 01:30 PM

AngusThermopyle

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Quote:

Originally Posted by phunkphish

I play in an uncapped PLO game. I want to add $1000 to my stack.

Current stack?

$9000? Not that much of a big deal

$1000? A big deal. Make it obvious what you are doing

10-25-2012 , 02:37 PM

phunkphish

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I mean between hands, of course, not during a hand.

When I add on to my stack, I make sure all my bills / new chips are fully visible. I figured that should be enough. Alerting players is just giving away free information, from my standpoint.

10-25-2012 , 04:34 PM

AngusThermopyle

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Quote:

Originally Posted by phunkphish

If you don't do it openly between hands, people will accuse you do doing it secretly during the hand.

And you asked about etiquette, not rules.

10-25-2012 , 09:15 PM

WuhOh

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You don't have to say anything. It's the other player's responsibility to know or ask you how much you have in your stack while the hand is in play. Just add the $ once you are out of the hand and before you get dealt any cards before the next hand.

10-26-2012 , 09:33 AM

#10

Bene Gesserit

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You don't have to say anything if the game is uncapped, but likely someone will ask when you added the extra chips! Seems more a rule question than etiquette , most of the time not a big problem IMHO

10-26-2012 , 02:24 PM

#11

John_Douglas

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It can be advantageous not to tell anyone. I like to have a stack of $100.00 bills behind my chips that I can easily switch for $1.00 bills if I am facing an all in raise with a weak hand. Of course, if I have the nuts, I will say, "oh I guess you didn't see the $10K in cash I had behind my chips."

As other people have said, it's the responsibility of the other players in the hand to know how much I am playing. I'm not advocating lying if asked for a count. But it can be beneficial to make things ambiguous for your opponents while maintaining plausible deniability on accusations of going south.

10-26-2012 , 03:25 PM

#12

The Palimax

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Ugh.

Be clear with your stacks. Simply say, in the same voice that you'd announce a call or a raise, "adding a thousand" or "another thousand behind" when you put your blacks out.

10-26-2012 , 04:02 PM

#13

phunkphish

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Often, my situation is like this:

Me: $1000 stack
Fish: $1000 stack
Decent reg: $3000 stack
Nit: $3000 stack.

Fish triples up through reg/nit. Now has $3000. I quietly want to add $2000 to cover fish, while not drawing attention to it.

10-26-2012 , 04:21 PM

#14

zoomtastic

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Quote:

Originally Posted by phunkphish

I always tell the dealer, mainly because if I get into a big hand next hand I don't want a player accusing me of reloading after I saw my cards.

Obv if you reload past the buyin max it's a rule breach, and a player at my casino has been perma banned for doing it repeatedly

10-26-2012 , 04:23 PM

#15

zoomtastic

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Quote:

Originally Posted by phunkphish

What you're describing there is an angle shoot.

10-26-2012 , 04:40 PM

#16

Angrist

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Quote:

Originally Posted by John_Douglas

It can be advantageous not to tell anyone. I like to have a stack of $100.00 bills behind my chips that I can easily switch for $1.00 bills if I am facing an all in raise with a weak hand. Of course, if I have the nuts, I will say, "oh I guess you didn't see the $10K in cash I had behind my chips."

As other people have said, it's the responsibility of the other players in the hand to know how much I am playing. I'm not advocating lying if asked for a count. But it can be beneficial to make things ambiguous for your opponents while maintaining plausible deniability on accusations of going south.

So cheating then.
Taking money off the table isn't allowed anywhere I've ever seen, especially not during a hand. (With the exception of tips and food, etc.)

10-26-2012 , 04:44 PM

#17

zoomtastic

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Quote:

Originally Posted by John_Douglas

You didn't work for FTP did you?

10-26-2012 , 09:12 PM

#18

AngusThermopyle

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Quote:

Originally Posted by phunkphish

Often, my situation is like this:

Me: $1000 stack

.. I quietly want to add $2000 to cover fish, while not drawing attention to it.

Scumbag move.

10-27-2012 , 02:43 AM

#19

Gioco

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I don't know of any rule requiring you to announce an add on but I (as Zoomtastic posted) always make sure the dealer knows so I can't be accused of bringing new funds to the table after the hand started. I usually tell the dealer orally before I get the funds or chips out of my pocket and try to make sure it is said before the shuffle begins. I can never recall a dealer making an announcement of it but have had some dealers defend me when players questioned my stack size.

10-27-2012 , 10:50 PM

#20

Rawlz517

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Quote:

Originally Posted by John_Douglas

GL switching out bills during a hand. Pretty scummy move to even suggest it.

Announce it to the table.

10-28-2012 , 08:27 AM

#21

MJ88

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Quote:

Originally Posted by John_Douglas

...I like to have a stack of $100.00 bills behind my chips that I can easily switch for $1.00 bills if I am facing an all in raise with a weak hand......

Do the above in the right games, and you'll be on crutches for a while...
How do you feel about marked cards, holdout devices, etc.?

10-28-2012 , 02:24 PM

#22

KatoKrazy

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The switching 100's for 1's is cheating.

The wanting to add $2k discretely is not cheating, angleshooting, are scumbaggy in any way. Why would it be? If anything it is good for the game, not drawing attention to the fish that he is a fish. How is this any different than people complaining about online regs inst sitting out when fish leaves and bringing it to the attention of the fish that he is the whole reason the game runs?

10-28-2012 , 03:20 PM

#23

zoomtastic

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He's not doing it to spare the fish's feelings, he wants to get the fish involved in a hand mistakenly thinking he's got a smaller stack than he actually does. Read his OP.

10-29-2012 , 04:54 PM

#24

The Palimax

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There's a REAL fine line between adding 2k quietly and sneaking 2k onto the table.

If you're adding obvious chips -- stacks of color or clearly represented flags -- then add them without making a production.

If you're just sticking a few bills on the back of your stack, you have an ethical obligation to make sure the table is aware of them.