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05-06-2016 , 12:58 AM
Recalling this hand from memory, hope I get it mostly right.

I busted the tournament super quick and reentered. This was my 2nd or 3rd hand at my new table so I didn't really have any reads on anyone. The game was stud high and the limit was 200-400 with 25 ante and 75 bring in. I started with 10k chips and others in hand had more.

3rd Street:
xx2 brings it in
xx9 fold
xx6 fold
I complete with (K7)5
xxT fold
xxK raises
xxA 3 bets
xx2 folds
I call
xxK 4 bets which is a cap
xxA calls
I call

4th Street
xxA8 checks
I check with (K7)53
xxKJ bets
We both call

5th Street
xxA85 checks
I check with (K7)537
xxKJ4 bets
Other guy folds and I call

6th Street
xxKJ42 bets
I catch 8 and call with intention to call flush rivers. Not sure what I was going to do if I rivered 2 pair.

Comments on all streets appreciated. I'm not too experienced at this game.

Last edited by CrazyLond; 05-06-2016 at 01:09 AM.
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05-06-2016 , 01:08 AM
Definitely jam 4th

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05-06-2016 , 01:50 AM
Hmmmmm..........

Maybe

ProPokerTools Stud Hi Simulation
600,000 trials (Randomized)
Hand Pot equity Wins Ties
AsAcKhJh31.19% 186,983331
AhAd8c5s14.16% 84,807336
Kd7d5d3d54.65% 327,8729

More likely?

ProPokerTools Stud Hi Simulation
600,000 trials (Randomized)
Hand Pot equity Wins Ties
KcKsKhJh56.99% 341,9614
AhAcQs8c10.14% 60,8420
Kd7d5d3d32.87% 197,1934

Anyway, 3rd st complete is a quibble so nm. Problem is is that K capped 3rd w/ 2s showing so heavily discount s for him PLUS he raised the 3-betting Ace. Bit of a puzzle, eh? A folded, tho, makes AA far less likely for him, maybe the K DOES have them in which case call w/ 2 pair and ofc the flush and be prepared for him to show up w/ Aces up caught otr or a better flush or a FH.

Lousy spot.
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05-06-2016 , 10:32 AM
Yeah jamming 4th seems right now. I would be pretty surprised if guy had split kings though, since he capped after an ace 3 bet.

I screwed up the hands history as I figured I would. Someone else folded a king so I was 100% sure guy did not have rolled up kings. Which makes it even more sure that I should jam 4th. I feel like he has wired AA most of the time, and QhTh some percent of the time. But not a great percent as two other hearts are dead. And If he has aces, I am a huge equity favorite because he can't have the ace of hearts and they probably both have two aces.
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05-06-2016 , 12:19 PM
The A likely didn't have Aces as he folded 5th. It would've been nice if you'd remembered that a King had folded.

In other news, I have learned how to link those sims! But I'll let other ppl give it a go.
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05-06-2016 , 12:45 PM
That's probably true, but I didn't know that when deciding whether to jam 4th.
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05-06-2016 , 10:05 PM
Spot read is that King has Aces or a flush, once in a while (AK)K. He can't have Aces and a flush before the river. If you don't fold Fifth you have to raise A, can't raise Q since his most likely jamming hand Third includes Q. Call 2Pr+ and have no reason to call with less.

Thought about raising Six, but if you check the river OOP he should bet any hand that beats two pair so we haven't saved any money even when he just has Kings. You can maybe try to get him to fold Kings on the river by raising Six and leading the river but you should have a good read on him before you try that.

Last edited by electrical; 05-06-2016 at 10:07 PM. Reason: fkn magnets
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05-07-2016 , 08:11 AM
Anyone else hate 3rd? I'm not seeing 4th here.

As played, I'm bet/raising 4th.
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05-07-2016 , 10:51 AM
Could imagine limping Third with such a weak door, yeah. But I think it's fine to give people an excuse to fold by opening.
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05-07-2016 , 12:22 PM
I meant more calling the 3 bet then the cap. Maybe I'm too nitty.
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05-07-2016 , 01:21 PM
OP's got to play SOMETHING and 3 completely live 's is one of those things.
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05-07-2016 , 01:23 PM
With three high cards behind him? Meh. Don't really hate the open tho as much as calling the 3 bet and cap.

I guess I just feel like you can find a better spot to put a bunch of chips in.

Last edited by RichGangi; 05-07-2016 at 01:49 PM.
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05-07-2016 , 02:10 PM
If I ever fold a completely live flush draw with a K in a 3-bet multiway pot, or if I call three and fold for one more, somebody get me to a hospital.

If it's too late for that just do me in with a shovel. Don't leave me there to suffer.
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05-07-2016 , 03:58 PM
I'm not saying fold to the cap, I'm saying I'd fold to the 3 bet. I defer to you tho, as I am quite sure you're better than I.

Serious question: You'd raise with heros hand first in? I may very well be way off, and I don't think I play too tight. Again tho, maybe I'm wrong. That's why I'm here.
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05-07-2016 , 04:19 PM
Don't mean this to be an insult, but how did you bust out of a limit tournament super quick? Thought basically nobody busts for hours in those things. If anything other than a string of super-coolers, maybe a reentry isn't the best investment of your time and money.
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05-07-2016 , 04:31 PM
I don't know. I suck.
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05-07-2016 , 05:20 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by RichGangi
Serious question: You'd raise with heros hand first in? I may very well be way off, and I don't think I play too tight. Again tho, maybe I'm wrong. That's why I'm here.
Raising early in a tournament is fine, later I probably limp since we have an Ace behind who might isolate, no reason to make the street more expensive once chips get more valuable. That there are still 25 chips still in play makes me think this is early enough that both options are fine.

You raise because you'd prefer a small pair to fold, though we have good equity against other unpaired hands.
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05-07-2016 , 05:27 PM
Gotcha, thx.
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05-07-2016 , 08:31 PM
Could we consider folding for two more once the Ace 3-bets on Third?
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05-07-2016 , 11:50 PM
I put the guy on pocket aces when the other ace folds on fifth. Im not completing 3rd, not semi bluffing fourth. And im calling on river with two pair or flush. You played it ok. Maybe in this situation you could have folded on third because of how you were running. Because the action was so rough, you had to figure that you absolutely were going to need a flush to have a chance to win that pot.
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05-08-2016 , 12:19 AM
Oh, dear.
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05-08-2016 , 12:49 AM
Electrical gas this right. Your certainly can't fold two pair on 7th
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05-08-2016 , 01:28 AM
I was only mentioning my reentry to explain why I didn't have any reads. The fact I ran bad on my first bullet otherwise seems pretty irrelevant.
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05-08-2016 , 01:45 AM
Well I'm no stud expert, but I fold this the first time around without a read that it's a passive table. Your flush cards are live, but there is a king dead, an ace behind you and a raise with the lowest upcard after the bringin isn't going to scare anyone into folding. Seems like you're usually going to end up headsup with a hand that has more equity than you, and occasionally run into an even worse scenario like you got.
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05-08-2016 , 05:48 AM
i fold 3rd when facing 2 bets back on 3rd.

3rd street is also interesting. you have a pretty hand, but pretty **** when heads up with xxT, xxK, xxA behind.

limp maybe? This equity of this hand in a heads up situation is so bad. It is barely a favorite against a loose-passive hand.

if villains behind are tight-passive, i for sure raise.
if villains behind are loose-passive, i probably just limp.
if villains behind are loose-aggressive, i limp with the intention to only call 1 bet.
if villains behind are tight-aggro, i think the decision is tough...

Last edited by tiger415; 05-08-2016 at 06:01 AM.
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