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09-12-2009 , 02:59 PM

Ramstone

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The data above indicates:

[ ] Variance
[ ] Donk
[ ] Tougher play as you move up in stakes
[ ] Doomswitch

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09-12-2009 , 03:02 PM

chromakey

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Nothing to contribute, but definitely interested in the response. I'd be concerned with the 3BB/100 loss on the .5/1 level after 10k+ hands.

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09-12-2009 , 03:04 PM

Davdob

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You need to reduce the number of hands you play, and of those fold more on 4th.

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09-12-2009 , 03:23 PM

Omaha Chris

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[x] Antes too high
[x] Awful form of poker unless there are donks in the game

(Disclosure: I gave up on stud in all its forms a few months ago)

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09-12-2009 , 03:53 PM

Alchemist

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Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 1,948

I've played with you a couple times assuming you play under the same name on FTP. My note on you says you're stationy, meaning you call down too much with a weak draw and/or vs a threatening board. This in part is reflected in your AF which is pretty low and your Went to SD being high (at least compared to mine). I agree also by your stats that you're playing too many hands

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09-12-2009 , 04:30 PM

Eddie901

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You have to balance the number of hands you play versus your aggression. IMO you are playing too passive for that V$IP. My V$IP is higher but my aggression factor is higher too (about 1.40).

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09-12-2009 , 04:42 PM

Andy B

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You definitely play too many hands. I don't play on FT very much, but it doesn't surprise me that someone who doesn't absolutely crush the very smallest game there would do poorly at $2/4.

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09-12-2009 , 05:16 PM

ChipsAhoya

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yeah, too many hands and calling down too far with them.

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09-12-2009 , 05:49 PM

Alchemist

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I just browsed a couple hands of yours and it seems you're playing brick pairs way too often and sticking with them way too long. Two of the hands in my db where you lost the most were where you called down with KK unimproved with another player with an Ace in the door (one of them you rivered a second pair but was against me when I completed with split Aces but also made an open pair on 5th).

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09-13-2009 , 01:30 AM

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Andy B

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Yeah, if Alchemist completes with an Ace in the door, pretty much everything becomes unplayable.

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09-13-2009 , 03:08 PM

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Ramstone

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Thank you all. I have an idea now about which hands to trim. And I know I'm absolutely stubborn about 4-to-a-low esp. if they are straightening. I'll see how the next 10k goes.

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09-15-2009 , 10:38 AM

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SGspecial

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Originally Posted by Omaha Chris

[x] Antes too high
[x] Awful form of poker unless there are donks in the game

(Disclosure: I gave up on stud in all its forms a few months ago)

[x] High antes just mean you can play more hands profitably
[x] Games are stocked with donks at 1/2 and below in just about any form of poker

(Disclosure: I play this game as little as possible, but I read about it)

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Originally Posted by Ramstone

Thank you all. I have an idea now about which hands to trim. And I know I'm absolutely stubborn about 4-to-a-low esp. if they are straightening. I'll see how the next 10k goes.

Pardon me for saying so, but isn't a straightening 4-to-a-low exactly the kind of hand you want to be playing in this game?

(except maybe 8764 rainbow in a multiway pot)

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09-15-2009 , 10:45 AM

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Davdob

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Hah, 4 straightening cards to a low are hands you should be betting the crap out of for the most part.

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09-15-2009 , 01:19 PM

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Andy B

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Originally Posted by Ramstone

Thank you all. I have an idea now about which hands to trim. And I know I'm absolutely stubborn about 4-to-a-low esp. if they are straightening. I'll see how the next 10k goes.

This is precisely why I caution people about going for a target VPIP. You're playing too many hands--of this there is little doubt. If you start trimming small straight draws while keeping, I dunno, dead flush draws and brick pairs, your results are only going to get worse. Since no one's mentioned it yet, get Ray Zee's book.

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09-15-2009 , 03:43 PM

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Ramstone

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Originally Posted by Andy B

I have it. I read it. I know the starting hand rankings. It's not so much what I do with #1 and 1a hands or with the trash. And a straightening draw isn't getting mucked unless some outs are dead. It's the squishy middle hands, like razz hands and 3 flushes, that I'm hanging onto too long, especially on the high side. AAx is also a problem I suspect. By the time I get to fifth I think I have odds to draw when I probably don't. And then it seems that AAx never holds up and the low never gets there, and the monsters from Under The Bed come out. I'll drill down to see if any categories are especially leaky.

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09-16-2009 , 02:10 PM

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SGspecial

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Originally Posted by Ramstone

that I'm hanging onto too long, especially on the high side.

Someone who is good at this game: please correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems to me that the only saving grace to a high only hand in this game is that sometimes you're in a HU pot and the low doesn't get there b/c of the qualifier. At low stakes, where 3- and 4-way pots are the norm, seems like a low will almost always get made.

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09-16-2009 , 02:18 PM

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Davdob

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Mostly true, but if you have a rocking high in a 4 way pot you can still make a ton of $. But unless you improve a high only hand alot quickly in a multi-way pot you are often on the road to screwdsville.

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09-16-2009 , 02:20 PM

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SGspecial

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Originally Posted by Davdob

+1, but unimproved split AA isn't very rocking in these games, and a middle flush is still vulnerable even when you get there.

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09-16-2009 , 02:49 PM

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Davdob

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Originally Posted by SGspecial

+1, but unimproved split AA isn't very rocking in these games, and a middle flush is still vulnerable even when you get there.

Correct. Unimproved AA multiway is a terrible terrible trap that many players rush headlong into.

If you are playing in a game where most people know what they are doing, you are going to see alot of boats and A high flushes shown down as high hands in multiway pots.

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