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09-27-2014 , 08:46 PM

bivy

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Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 13

1k ante
2k bring in
5k/10k limits

We have ~6 hands left of Stud 8 before we go back to Hold'em. I'm UTG+1 when the game switches. Avg chips is t62k - I'm short with 26k and the seat next to me is only stack shorter with t13k. I have the least experience at the table (maybe 2nd least.)

Seat 1: xx xx A

___ Seat 1 raises to 5k
Seat 2: xx xx K

___ Seat 2 folds
Seat 3: xx xx K

___ Seat 3 folds
Seat 4: xx xx 10

___ Seat 4 folds
Seat 5: xx xx Q

___ Seat 5 folds
Hero: 2

___ ?
Seat 7: xx xx 3

___ ?
Seat 8: xx xx 2

___ Seat 8 brings in for 2k
Seat 9: xx xx 4

___ Seat 9 folds

I ended up picking this spot to go for it and got it all in against seat 1 and seat 7. Was this a good spot or should I have looked for a better one? I was pretty comfortable going for it here but figured I would see what others thought.

Thank you for any input.

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09-28-2014 , 01:55 AM

CrazyLond

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I'd definitely shovel as many chips into the pot with this hand as I could.

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09-28-2014 , 03:54 AM

oscillator

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I just call 3rd.

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09-28-2014 , 10:45 AM

CrazyLond

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The reason I raise is if we call we only have 21k behind and there is already 21k in pot, so it seems like we have committed ourselves to pot even if we brick off. I migh be incorrect about that.

Raising also has advantage of getting pot heads up which definitely seems like a good thing if we're going to be all in for tournament life.

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09-28-2014 , 06:12 PM

oscillator

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I don't agree with committing ourself to a pot in a tournament when it isn't necessary. Our hand has no immediate showdown value, but plays excellently muti-way, and we under represent our hand. The only thing I feel uncomfortable about is that the A range will be wider than anybody elses range that will be opening in front of you, and while punishing that range sounds enticing in theory, he will still always have at least 40% equity and we have 5 high.

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09-29-2014 , 12:42 AM

bivy

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Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 13

Thank you for the feedback so far.

oscillator - if I called the 5k and it was raised by the 3

(10k) and re-raised by the A

(15k) after, would you release the hand at that point?

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09-29-2014 , 03:14 AM

oscillator

SIWAS

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We are never folding this hand.

The point is to find the optimal way to play the the ranges we deem fit for a situation without jeopardizing our tournament life if at all necessary. Sometimes that means raising a complete to isolate because our hand plays better heads up, and the table is passively calling 1 bet, but folding to two. My initial post wasnt intended to infer that we are always playing passively, I mean to say that it's important to know when to choose to conserve a bet instead of just flipping our equity.

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09-29-2014 , 02:00 PM

ChipsAhoya

2011 $10k Stud8 Champion

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just calling third is the right play.

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09-29-2014 , 03:39 PM

Joe Tall

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You still have enough chips to hang on a bit if you call and miss and would rather have everyone else that could call, as if you bink on 4th, you'll have a monster to get it in with then.

These spots are critical in Stud trnys, think about gaining the most chips, not getting it in with a top-% holding, this is not Holdem or a cash game.

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09-29-2014 , 04:09 PM

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CrazyLond

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I'm glad this thread is here as I am playing horse tournament in November. Will have to think some more about these spots.

Is our plan going to be to fold 4th if we brick regardless of what ace catches?

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09-30-2014 , 07:13 AM

#11

gobbo

Trust the fat man.

Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 15,623

Def just like calling 3rd. We want as many people in as we can get. I'm typically peeling 4th HU but it depends on player/ICM implications too.

Tbh OP it seems like your issue in this spot is that you don't realize how strong your hand is, not the proper way to be playing it. This is in the top 2% or higher of hands in this game. In general I would rather get dealt this hand than aces. You can't play it like aces, but this hand makes a lot of money.

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09-30-2014 , 01:07 PM

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SGspecial

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who was in seat 9?

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10-01-2014 , 10:15 PM

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bivy

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Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 13

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Originally Posted by SGspecial

who was in seat 9?

Greg Jamison - He took 1st.

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