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11-20-2007 , 09:19 PM
What do you think of the streets here?

I almost have to raise/bet 3rd, 4th and 5th right? What about 6th. I paused for a second here. I am sure everyone is coming in here to say OMG BET but I'm not so sure I am getting great value. I mean, wtf does he have?

7 Card Stud High-Low ($5/$10), Ante $1, Bring-In $1,50 (converter)

3rd Street - (1.60 SB)

Seat 1: xx xx J___folds
Seat 2: xx xx 9___folds
Seat 3: xx xx K___folds
Seat 4: xx xx 9___calls___calls
Hero: Q 2 A___completes
Seat 6: xx xx 2___brings-in___folds
Seat 7: xx xx K___folds
Seat 8: xx xx K___folds

4th Street - (3.90 SB)

Seat 4: xx xx 9 A___checks___calls
Hero: Q 2 A 3___bets

5th Street - (2.95 BB)

Seat 4: xx xx 9 A 6___calls
Hero: Q 2 A 3 Q___bets

6th Street - (4.95 BB)

Seat 4: xx xx 9 A 6 T___calls
Hero: Q 2 A 3 Q J___bets

River - (6.95 BB)

Seat 4: xx xx 9 A 6 T xx___folds
Hero: Q 2 A 3 Q J A___bets

Total pot: (6.95 BB - $69,50)
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11-20-2007 , 09:22 PM
This whole hand is so opponent dependent...

if villian isn't going to fold a pair of nines or stop chasing to a low then i'd just dump it on third.
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11-20-2007 , 09:51 PM
I actually thought I had an equity advantage against a pair of nines on third It's just that a pair of nines sucks so hard. I guess maybe it sucks more out of a metagame perspective?
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11-20-2007 , 11:54 PM
AQ2 sucks pretty hard too.
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11-20-2007 , 11:56 PM
I think you played it fine apart from the initial call.
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11-21-2007 , 12:20 AM
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AQ2 sucks pretty hard too.
I've found that these "maybe two-way" hands really really suck in Stud8, so you have to be REALLY careful playing them...

However in this hand you are a very slight equity dog vs. 998 (46%) and with all the dead kings I think it's definitely a reasonable play here since you can have him make mistakes on later streets.

-ChipsAhoya
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11-21-2007 , 07:42 AM
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I think you played it fine apart from the initial call.
I didn't call. So do you advocate folding in this spot? I think that seems pretty bad ...
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11-21-2007 , 01:12 PM
I think 3rd is a fold. You have a trash hand. You can't steal the antes, as someone has entered the pot, albeit with a hand that may actually be worse than yours.

The two factors that make it a fold:

1. The Rake. Any edge you might have against the limper's worse trash will be eaten by the rake.

2. The bring-in could have a hand. If he does, you've put yourself in a money-losing spot.

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I think you played it fine apart from the initial call.
I didn't call. So do you advocate folding in this spot? I think that seems pretty bad ...
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11-21-2007 , 02:45 PM
Actually, I had a note on seat 4 that said he had limped and folded on 3rd when I raised an ace in steal position earlier. I should have mentioned this I guess
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11-21-2007 , 03:26 PM
That does help your chances. I never bother with hands like this though, although I currently only play 1-2 and 2-4. I find so many hands where I have a big edge that I don't see any reason to mess with something this close.

Maybe 5-10 requires some of this. I would be leery of entering a pot with a hand this bad though.

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Actually, I had a note on seat 4 that said he had limped and folded on 3rd when I raised an ace in steal position earlier. I should have mentioned this I guess
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11-21-2007 , 05:03 PM
How can you think that this hand is *THAT* bad. I would raise in this spot in stud hi too. And now we have A2 with incredibly live low cards too. The pot is $11. I am at least putting in another $1.5 to see another card. We can't just give away the pot to seat 4
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11-25-2007 , 02:52 PM
completing 3rd is fine. with the dead 9, we are about even money with a pair of 9s. but antes and the initiative with a scary door card gives you an edge.
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