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12-05-2013 , 05:30 PM

SickZac

grinder

Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 604

This hand was played in a mixed game and I just sat down so I have no info about villain.

It is three handed and the doorcards look like this:

xx2s

xx9c

(64)6h

I am first to act and complete, the xx9c 2bets and I call. So far so good. On fourth street I catch mediocre (6s4h)6h8s and villain catches xx9cQd. Now I am lost. If he was on a semisteal with something like 789, 8T9, JT9, QT9 he caught decent. If he was on an overpair he improved too. So now I dont know if I have to fold 4th or if I can peal 4th and see if 5th card changes something. But is there much that can change things?

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12-05-2013 , 06:54 PM

djforever

grinder

Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 456

call, see what 5th street brings.

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12-05-2013 , 06:55 PM

electrical

Loaded for bear

Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 4,280

You have decent equity against a high only hand, certainly enough to peel on Fourth. You have 8 cards that will give you a powerful hand (straight draw, low draw and pair) and another 11 that give you a low draw to go with your pair, and you'll end up with a 3-flush half the time you improve otherwise.

If you brick Fifth you can fold, but you have too many ways to improve dramatically to fold Fourth.

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12-05-2013 , 10:28 PM

Davdob

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Stud Hi. You still have to call the SB on 4th and make a tough decision on 5th.

You still have a decent amount of cards that improve the hi value of your hand.

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12-06-2013 , 12:00 AM

LUCIUS VARENUS

Soldier of Minbet

Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 10,461

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Originally Posted by Davdob

Stud Hi. You still have to call the SB on 4th and make a tough decision on 5th.

You still have a decent amount of cards that improve the hi value of your hand.

Agree, call and try to spike 6,4,5, 7 or 8. Overcard to the 9 will give you outs to higher 2 pair. IDK if you want to chase those 2 pair hands without reads though?

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12-06-2013 , 12:30 AM

electrical

Loaded for bear

Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 4,280

Sorry, dumb.

In a high ante game I call, in a low ante game folding is fine despite pot size. With no overcards you will mostly be making payoff hands when you improve so you're not giving up much potential value and the cost to get to showdown with one pair will usually make bluffcatching a losing proposition.

Calling in a high ante game is fine since the larger starting pot will mean villain should be restealing more and will get to the river with bupkes enough.

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12-06-2013 , 02:22 AM

ChipsAhoya

2011 $10k Stud8 Champion

Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 6,890

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Originally Posted by electrical

Calling in a high ante game is fine since the larger starting pot will mean villain should be restealing more and will get to the river with bupkes enough.

isn't it "bupkis"?

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12-06-2013 , 04:34 AM

SickZac

grinder

Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 604

okay thx guys. In the actual hand villain caught xx9cQc and I folded 6d4s6d8s.
Is this fold good as now villain catching any heart will make a threatening board?

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12-06-2013 , 10:08 AM

RichGangi

Laughable false & highly douchey

Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 9,569

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Originally Posted by djforever

call, see what 5th street brings.

Yup. Folding 4th is way too nitty.

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12-06-2013 , 11:38 PM

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Davdob

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I wouldn't have folded 4th based on what you actually caught. The key here is to be able to fold 5th if you have to.

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12-08-2013 , 05:24 AM

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ceegee

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 6,554

This depends highly on villain's 2-bet range on 3rd street.

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12-15-2013 , 11:36 AM

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steveistheman84

old hand

Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 1,438

agree with luscious. just peel and look for a 4, 5, 6, 7, or 8. if you wiff, i'd just c/f 5th.

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