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02-08-2014 , 10:13 PM
Note: This post is missing a bit of information regarding the upcards and the exact cards/order might be slightly off. However, the gist of the hand is presented correctly.

Villian is fairly loose. There is no cap heads up.

Stud 8

Third:
2 brings it in
1 fold
I complete (K 2) 5 as there is only one card below an 8 behind me and only 1 other spade out.
Folds to Villian with 7 up who calls. (Not sure exactly but it was a low spade)
All others fold

Fourth:
Hero: (K 2) 5 4
Villian: xx 7 9

Villian checks, Hero bet, Villian calls.

Fifth:
Hero: (K 2) 5 4 A
Villian: xx 7 9 3

Hero bets, Villian raises, Hero calls.

Sixth:
Hero: (K 2) 5 4 A 8
Villian: xx 7 9 3 Q

Hero bets, Villian raises, Hero 3-bets, Villian 4-bets, Hero?

Comments on other streets are welcome as well.
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02-09-2014 , 12:27 AM
Are you able to raise more on 6th or is it capped?
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02-09-2014 , 12:38 AM
I probably raise a bunch here. You could be freerolling him so if he is making the mistake of putting in infinte action here he might be mistaken about other things, like trip Sevens or a Jack-high flush being invincible.
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02-09-2014 , 12:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Davdob
Are you able to raise more on 6th or is it capped?
No cap heads up.
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02-09-2014 , 01:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Smarty 2.0
No cap heads up.
Then send it in, Mutombo.
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02-09-2014 , 02:37 AM
Only ways you are behind are if he has A4 or A6 of spades (ace flush and seven draw) ITH. However if you are behind he still has to make his low to scoop.

I'd probably want to get it to 6 bets and if he comes at me again for a 7th bet, call. Maybe I'm gutless. Got no bravery.

Would be interested to see equity vs range of A4/A6 of spades, trips, 2 pair, 7 draw and flush draw, or any other flush.
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02-09-2014 , 02:42 PM
what is goin on in here? with no high...and a **** low we are most likely gettin freerolled with a high and huge low draw...why would i ever wanna get in maximum here?? Seats open in the Foxwoods 75-150 OE...plz come fill em.
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02-09-2014 , 03:18 PM
Giving villain a range of only top-tier hands (trips, flushes including low flushes) we have 52% equity. Obviously he will have some worse hands than that some of the time, so the more money we put in the pot the more money we make on the hand.
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02-09-2014 , 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by indariva
Seats open in the Foxwoods 75-150 OE...plz come fill em.
I would apparently enjoy playing in this game.
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02-09-2014 , 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by indariva
what is goin on in here? with no high...and a **** low we are most likely gettin freerolled with a high and huge low draw...why would i ever wanna get in maximum here??
We have the nut low draw (and a made low) and our opponent would have to have exactly the A, you are giving him too much credit, he called 3rd.
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02-09-2014 , 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by electrical
I would apparently enjoy playing in this game.
open seats daily....
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02-09-2014 , 04:07 PM
as we say it in europe:

no prisoners after 5th
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02-09-2014 , 04:16 PM
I dont have time atm as I chase my 2yr old but there are three sims: One with As + low, one w/o As + low, one with high-spades. We assign each result to a number of earned bets. As more bets go in, our opponents range's weight moves in one direction or the other.

I do believe two things a bit neglected: 1. the range we do not want to go all-in vs is very small, 2. our flush draw is quite concealed.
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02-09-2014 , 05:01 PM
My earlier point being that we have an obvious quality low board, and villain has no low at the moment. If he's willing to get all-in vs a possible freeroll then he's bad or unobservant and we don't know what other mistakes he's making in the hand, all of which benefit us.

Let him blow.
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02-09-2014 , 05:13 PM
I'd probably put more action in on 5th too.
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02-09-2014 , 05:46 PM
Just call the raise on 6th. As played, call the 4b.

If villain is maniacal/lol-bad, 3b/call seems fine.

5b is spazzy and unnecessary in most situations, but it's not that bad since the pot is prolly going to be split very near 100% of the time.

Last edited by tiger415; 02-09-2014 at 05:58 PM.
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02-09-2014 , 10:16 PM
I'd 5! and call 6. At that point villain is either sitting there w/ A-Face s and is wasting everybody's time, is a complete moron but even a moron should stop after a while or actually has the A-4 or 6 in which case:



(hope I did that right, hardly use the thing)
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02-10-2014 , 02:15 PM
There still seems to be a lot of disagreement about the amount of action on Sixth but let's go on ahead to Seventh....


Seventh:
Hero: (K 2 T) 5 4 A 8
Villian: xx 7 9 3 Q x

Hero bets, Villian raises, and Hero?
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02-10-2014 , 03:07 PM
Calls.
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02-10-2014 , 03:33 PM
Raises then calls if villain raises imo.
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02-10-2014 , 03:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Davdob
Calls.
.
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02-10-2014 , 05:01 PM
I raise/call. We are getting scooped much less often than we're scooping but after what should have been a very exciting Sixth street I give the guy credit for knowing what's up.
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02-11-2014 , 12:27 AM
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Originally Posted by electrical
I raise/call. We are getting scooped much less often than we're scooping but after what should have been a very exciting Sixth street I give the guy credit for knowing what's up.
+1
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02-11-2014 , 11:32 PM
What's your read on villain? Is he competent?

When you flat 5th against anyone paying attention you do not have a wheel. Unless you're making some wizard like slow play. Thus on 6th your best hand is an 8 with spades/straight working. Thus for him to give you action he has to have the Spades locked up and drawing live for low.If i'm you i'm still putting in 4 bets on 6th and 2 bets on the river when I improve.

Maybe it's mubsy...

If the villain has anything less than half locked up and a free roll, you know he's a stone fish and can go to war next time.
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02-14-2014 , 01:56 AM
I 3b/call on 6th but after I get 4bet realize how stupid I am

Dude probably has AQ spades or something so jamming is irrelevant. IMO it's bad but it's not too bad cuz it's a chop 99% of the time if he's playing 64ss like this he's horrible and it should have been mentioned in the OP.

I think Joe Tall and electrical are way off. Putting hands like trips in his range is LOL bad.
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