Villain is probably completing 100% on third following through 100% on 4th and could definitely over aggro 5th here but definitely not with his whole range. Obviously 6th is a disaster is this a correct fold even with him showing up with a wide range here?

Tournament - Razz (5/10), Ante 1, Bring-In 1.50 (converter)

Hero: 196.50
Seat 2: 46

3rd Street - (0.40 SB)

Hero: 2 6 K___brings-in___calls
Seat 2: xx xx J___completes

4th Street - (2.40 SB)

Hero: 2 6 K 3___calls
Seat 2: xx xx J 4___bets

5th Street - (2.20 BB)

Hero: 2 6 K 3 8___calls
Seat 2: xx xx J 4 A___bets

6th Street - (4.20 BB)

Hero: 2 6 K 3 8 2___folds
Seat 2: xx xx J 4 A 8___bets

Total pot: (4.20 BB - 42)

I don't understand if this is a tournament or a cash game.

But I'm calling.

Because of the pot odds hoping to catch?

or do you think the hero is ahead?

These are usually the type of hands I regret not folding on third.

LOL! Me, too. As to why - eh - all of the above - but mostly - look at the stack sizes. I don't get what this is from the header - but it looks like the opponent is about to be all-in - in that case - whatever he had, he was in too far to fold and might have started with a less than stellar hand.

I don't really think we are ahead with K-8, but I'm just not willing to let go here - a jack might be good here if opponent doesn't improve - anyway - I'm seeing 7th.

(I would have folded 3rd.)

It's a HU cash game, so tournament considerations don't apply, tho the possibility of the opponent being put all in for about half a BB if he raises the river may come into play. You make a very observant statement here (bolded) that we really have no idea what the villain has. If he is laggy enough to complete on 3rd st 100% of the time, then he will probably keep betting as long as you just call. So A3 in the hole is just as likely as J8 in the hole. He will manage to have a K low beat by accident with all but the worst hole cards, but I can't see giving up a draw to an 8 here given the odds the pot is laying you.

Also, I'm curious as to why you and lolo would fold 3rd? Are you imagining the villain with A3 in the hole every time?

My answer would be what you bolded in your last post SG; "we really have no idea what the villain has." It's hard to know where your at with types of boards when the King puts you in theory behind.

You can find out by firing away but that can be very expensive information. I like to exchange a brick for jade. Give up something small for a big potential gain. Not bet jade to find out i got a brick. That is why folding on 3rd looks attractive to a nut peddler like myself.

I guess I could see pealing on 3rd but I am just to much a nit to keep going down the dark tunnel I see this hand heading with my king showing and catching just enough to stay around on the high dollar streets and lose a big pot.

Ah, so you've come to see the wizard for some courage then Mr. lion? Courage in the face of the unknown is a difficult skill to learn, but as a rehabilitated nit I can assure you it can be learned. I'm the last person to bring NLHE into a razz discussion, but do you know why nits rarely win NLHE tournaments? Because if they get short stacked they usually get blinded down to nothing, waiting for that big hand to get all their chips in with when they would be better off shoving with something much more common. At some point, the good players realize that all they need is something better than a random hand to make it +EV to play. In the world of HU razz, this is that point.

Mr. Oz A/K/A SGSpeecial, this Lion (maybe actually a lamb hiding in the lions skin) is actually confused and looking for courage to escape my nitty ways.

I really am struggling with how aggressive to play on early streets.

I posted a hand to better explain the third street issues I am struggling with.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...d.php?t=159979

As always you wise words would be appreciated.

Who said anything about aggression? At least not on this 3rd st. Usually aggression with a K up gets you raised when you're behind, and that kind of negative reinforcement will not help your courage. Why not call with your K? If you brick 4th, you were probably going to lose the hand anyway and it only cost a fraction of a bet. But you may take a really big pot if you start outdrawing the opponent, who needs to hit 3 good cards out of 4 to make anything better than a J low himself. Sounds like you may have some "homework" to do this weekend

Why does it say "tournament?" Not doubting you just confused.

I personally fold 3rd because I don't like starting that far behind. I at least want a J, too. Not saying it's best - just what I do. But then, I don't -play HU cash. Well, sometimes when the table gets short.

Possibly a glitch in the converter. I don't think anyone has a $5/10 level in a tournament, and the stack sizes don't add up to some nice round number like they would in a tournament.