How aggressive are you guys on third street in stud H/L with unsuited one gap low cards? Razz hands. Are you more aggressive when they have a Ace especially an Ace Door card? Or Do you play them all the same? Do you limp? Do you raise?

Examples

(A3) 5
(23) 6
(76) 5
(34) A

I have been playing these hands very aggressively on third with mixed results. No, actually poor results. Every time a get one of these hands I seem destined to hit a paint card on 4th. Are these premium third street hands? Should I limp more and why?

FYI I been playing all my stud H/L in micro stakes horse ring recently if that makes any difference. Few people fold in Stud H/l if they jump in on third here.

(A3)5 and (34)A aren't razz hands, they are wheel draws, and they are strong starters. (76)5 is a straight draw, although it's a bit problematic on the low side because it's drawing so rough.

The only hand in your list I would consider a razz hand is (23)6, and even that has straight possibilities if fours and fives are live.

As for catching a brick on 4th, that's going to happen a lot. That's just the nature of the game.

I would play the wheel draws fast in any position; but the others I would limp with in early position, hoping to get more people in the pot -- they play best multiway. I would play all the hands you list for a completion, would repop it with the wheel draws and (if there were a caller between me and the raiser, and if my straight cards were live) the no-gap straight draw.

Sounds about right. When I think of "razz hands," I'm thinking along the lines of 732. Those I try to get in cheap and hope to get lucky.

Yeah - When I think of a razz hand it's one only backdoor straight possibilities , like 7-2 or 8-3

Other hands, you catch one card for a 4low and a gutshot or OESD, I'll play if I'm in good shape for the low - like, I'd obv muck 874 if there was two other low hands.

As for limping vs completing - I depends on how much respect players give to a completion - if you have 345 and players are gonna come along anyway then go ahead and complete it in EP, IMO.

Try rating them the same as you would in Razz - look for the upcards and so forth, see how live the hand is - then you'll know if you are calling the brick. I do well in micro 8oB with these hands if I play them that way.

I wouldn't play them too aggressively because if your opponents are calling stations, then ideally you want to keep the pot small until 4th and when you catch perfect they'll be making a huge mistake in calling - this is really good money in S8 with poor players - bloat the pot on 3rd and unless 4th is being capped they are almost always correct to peel.

The point is, you don't want them making small mistakes on 3rd - where maybe you have a small edge - you want them making huge mistakes on later streets - that's agaisnt people who will peel lightly in small pots with mediocre hands.

Yeah, also note that dead cards can turn legit hands into razz hands. For example if you have (A5)7, and there are 2 aces out, the prospect of pairing your ace has gone from a 3 outer to a 1 outer, so your hand has practically turned into 752.

Depends a lot on your type of hand compared to the opponent's upcard. As a general rule, you should avoid reraising a completion when your upcard is below your opponent's upcard.

Some guidelines:

876-865-875-765 vs a low open - reraise/fold depending on upcards behind, strong heads up and weak multiway.
Low straight draws - coldcall to induce a multiway pot, try to build the pot if you aren't going to jam anyone out
Hands with an ace in them: important to push out people with high pairs if possible - plays well HU

Razz hands: (762, 732, 832, etc) I would generally try to avoid coming in HU after another player, unless you think that person could be stealing. Having a live 2flush is nice too- also depends on the upcards.

Something really important about 3rd street play especially when your opponents play bad is manipulating the pot to force the biggest errors possible in the multiway pots, depending on your opponent's propensity to call too much/fold too much/fail to raise to isolate. A lot of times, people will play really bad on 4th street, but if you aren't creating the big pot/keeping the pot small on 3rd to exploit it then you are missing a lot of value.

Do you limp? Do you raise?

Examples

(A3) 5
(23) 6
(76) 5
(34) A

I have been raising 3 and 4 betting these hands with several limpers especially from early position. I'll limp watch several players limp when someone completes I usually raise and re-raise anyone who bets or raises. Most low limit horse players come along for the ride to 4th street.

It has created tough situations for me when I brick on 4th or worse catch a low card which leaves me with a gutshot to a high draw and a good low draw. I have chased half the pot at times and have gotten 1/4 for a small profit often when I split the low and miss a high hand. Maybe I need to slow down a bit on third.

With a crowd along for the ride and three or four bets each in the pot, the "bad" fourth-street calls many duffers make become good calls, and you should consider making your share of them too. Here's a rule of thumb: a busted low draw without high prospects should peel on fourth street if the pot is laying odds of 10:1 or better. This should be modified by your high prospects as well as how well or poorly any other low draws have caught.

If the pot were smaller on fourth, a lot of tough decisions on your part become easier -- and your opponents' mistakes become more clear-cut.

As I said before,

The hands I am talking about are unsuited how much value do you give to suited hands with all babies do you play these aggressive capping on third if possible?

With something like 235o on third, I wouldnt push it too hard myself unless the wheel cards were totally live. I want a pretty broad field to play along so I can better know my value on 4th.

Suited are you jamming?

I still wouldnt push it too hard on third unless I had some reason to believe 3-4 people were going to come along for the ride (like a raise and a couple of calls in front of me). I would rather have a whole gang of people along on 4th than to find myself up against a single player going high, which has the potential of happening when you push too hard on 3d. My /8 game is fairly mediocre. So, others wiser than me might have a different POPV.

Like everything in poker - Yes and No.

I think of these hands as primarily LOW hands with backdoor high - yes, they can develop into monsters, and yes, I would probably cap 3rd with them - with one point in mind - if there are other, better, low draws out there then be careful, a lot of their value is actually gone.

im agressive especaly with stuff like A245 gap lows gives you a chance to posibily scoop olny good 2 be agressive when theres a few players drawing so if you do just happen to split you get a decent chunk of it