I tried putting this hand through the converter, but kept getting an invalid conversion message. At any rate, I recently played this hand, and I had some trouble with it. I'm wondering if at 5th street with me showing a 9 and A,8,6 dead if I should have folded to the raise. Also, if I didn't fold, on the next street, another 6 becomes dead. And I get pait. Should I have folded there or should I just continue to draw hoping I'm not dead at 7th?

Thanks,

Ian


Full Tilt Poker Game #7215507909: Table Banburry Cross - $0.25/$0.50 Ante $0.05 - Limit Razz - 3:36:17 ET - 2008/07/14
Seat 1: Royal_Clown ($5)
Seat 2: riverbrad ($4.25)
Seat 3: Intellectx ($9.65)
Seat 4: c_u_at_rvr ($4.15)
Seat 5: Dubular ($16.70)
Seat 6: Flush_The_Pots ($3.95)
Seat 7: iforsyth ($12.45)
Seat 8: arara04 ($9.80), is sitting out
c_u_at_rvr antes $0.05
Dubular antes $0.05
Flush_The_Pots antes $0.05
Intellectx antes $0.05
iforsyth antes $0.05
riverbrad antes $0.05
Royal_Clown antes $0.05
*** 3RD STREET ***
Dealt to Royal_Clown [Js]
Dealt to riverbrad [Jd]
Dealt to Intellectx [Qh]
Dealt to c_u_at_rvr [8h]
Dealt to Dubular [Ks]
Dealt to Flush_The_Pots [6c]
Dealt to iforsyth [3s 2s] [4s]
Dubular is high with [Ks]
Dubular brings in for $0.10
Flush_The_Pots folds
iforsyth completes it to $0.25
Royal_Clown folds
riverbrad folds
Intellectx folds
c_u_at_rvr calls $0.25
Dubular folds
*** 4TH STREET ***
Dealt to c_u_at_rvr [8h] [Ad]
Dealt to iforsyth [3s 2s 4s] [7d]
iforsyth checks
c_u_at_rvr bets $0.25
iforsyth raises to $0.50
c_u_at_rvr calls $0.25
*** 5TH STREET ***
Dealt to c_u_at_rvr [8h Ad] [3d]
Dealt to iforsyth [3s 2s 4s 7d] [9s]
c_u_at_rvr bets $0.50
iforsyth raises to $1
c_u_at_rvr raises to $1.50
iforsyth raises to $2
c_u_at_rvr calls $0.50
*** 6TH STREET ***
Dealt to c_u_at_rvr [8h Ad 3d] [6s]
Dealt to iforsyth [3s 2s 4s 7d 9s] [Kc]
c_u_at_rvr bets $0.50
iforsyth calls $0.50
*** 7TH STREET ***
Dealt to iforsyth [3s 2s 4s 7d 9s Kc] [Qs]
c_u_at_rvr bets $0.50
iforsyth calls $0.50
*** SHOW DOWN ***
c_u_at_rvr shows [Td 7h 8h Ad 3d 6s 5h] 7,6,5,3,A
iforsyth mucks
c_u_at_rvr wins the pot ($7.60) with 7,6,5,3,A
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $7.95 | Rake $0.35
Seat 1: Royal_Clown folded on 3rd St.
Seat 2: riverbrad folded on 3rd St.
Seat 3: Intellectx folded on 3rd St.
Seat 4: c_u_at_rvr showed [Td 7h 8h Ad 3d 6s 5h] and won ($7.60) with 7,6,5,3,A
Seat 5: Dubular folded on 3rd St.
Seat 6: Flush_The_Pots folded on 3rd St.
Seat 7: iforsyth mucked [Qs 3s 4s 7d 9s Kc 2s] - 9,7,4,3,2
Seat 8: arara04 is sitting out

Razz ($0.25/$0.50), Ante $0.05, Bring-In $0.10 (converter)

3rd Street - (1.40 SB)

Seat 1: xx xx J___folds
Seat 2: xx xx J___folds
Seat 3: xx xx Q___folds
Seat 4: xx xx 8___calls
Seat 5: xx xx K___brings-in___folds
Seat 6: xx xx 6___folds
Hero: 3 2 4___completes

4th Street - (3.80 SB)

Seat 4: xx xx 8 A___bets___calls
Hero: 3 2 4 7___checks___raises

5th Street - (3.90 BB)

Seat 4: xx xx 8 A 3___bets___raises___calls
Hero: 3 2 4 7 9___raises___raises

6th Street - (11.90 BB)

Seat 4: xx xx 8 A 3 6___bets
Hero: 3 2 4 7 9 K___calls

River - (13.90 BB)

Seat 4: xx xx 8 A 3 6 xx___bets
Hero: 3 2 4 7 9 K Q___calls

Total pot: (15.90 BB - $7.95)

Thanks, Alchemist.

Hmmmm. So, you complete and he calls. You can't assume from his call that he doesn't have a three-card 8. No one is likely to be raising there unless they have you pegged as a bricker.

Note that when you check/raise him, he just calls. But he does call. He sees he is behind a good 7 draw, and he will now believe you have a 7 and three wheels, because you check/raised. You don't know what he has in the hole, so you are at an information disadvantage. So, I'm sort of curious about why you are raising with the worst hand? With your opponent showing what is likely a made 8, and possibly a better draw than you have, I'm puzzled by your eagerness to shove in money.

So, you made the pot so big on 5th you had to call 6th, I guess, but not folding the river is really being in serious Razz-River denial! You told him what your hand was on 4th and he is betting at you. It's ok to lose, ok to fold.

5th Street - (3.90 BB)

Seat 4: xx xx 8 A 3___bets___raises___calls
Hero: 3 2 4 7 9___raises___raises


So, I'm sort of curious about why you are raising with the worst hand? With your opponent showing what is likely a made 8, and possibly a better draw than you have, I'm puzzled by your eagerness to shove in money.

> At this point against two random cards I believe I was 80% favored to win. Granted, they weren't totally random cards because they were selected to play by my opponent, but my thinking was I was going to catch a card on the draw by 7th that would more than justify getting money into the pot. Was this thinking wrong? I'm not sure. 6th street--I'm thinking I should have just called. And 7th, I agree I should have just gotten out--that's good advice.

Not quite.

and that's the number for 2 random hole cards that haven't paired him.

If he's got a made hand you're a pretty big dog.

You've got enough equity to call on 5th (calling 1 bet to win the almost 5 currently in there). If played that way 6th is close (as played calling is a no brainer) and fold the river.

From the play on 5th at these stakes, it's highly unlikely you're against 2 random cards as you say.

I would call 5th and 6th and easily fold 7th.