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(Razz) Failing in pulling off 30/60 (Razz) Failing in pulling off 30/60

12-29-2009 , 11:54 PM
Full Tilt Poker $30/$60 Limit Razz $5 Ante - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

3rd Street: (1 SB)
Seat 1: xx xx J____Seat 1 calls____Seat 1 calls____Seat 1 says "wow u have to be the biggest idiot aufuu"____Seat 1 calls
Seat 3: xx xx K____Seat 3 brings in for $10____Seat 3 folds
Hero: 6 A T___Hero calls___Hero raises___Hero caps!
Seat 6: xx xx 9____Seat 6 completes____Seat 6 3-bets____Seat 6 calls
Seat 7: xx xx 8____Seat 7 folds
Seat 8: xx xx T____Seat 8 folds

4th Street: (13.333 SB) (3 players)
Seat 1: xx xx J 8____Seat 1 calls
Hero: 6 A T 5___Hero bets
Seat 6: xx xx 9 J____Seat 6 calls

5th Street: (8.167 BB) (3 players)
Seat 1: xx xx J 8 3____Seat 1 calls
Hero: 6 A T 5 4___Hero bets
Seat 6: xx xx 9 J J____Seat 6 calls

6th Street: (11.167 BB) (3 players)
Seat 1: xx xx J 8 3 T____Seat 1 says "jus wow"____Seat 1 says "and u get this runout"____Seat 1 calls
Hero: 6 A T 5 4 A___Hero bets
Seat 6: xx xx 9 J J K____Seat 6 folds

7th Street: (13.167 BB) (2 players)
Seat 1: xx xx J 8 3 T xx____Seat 1 checks
Hero: 6 A T 5 4 A Q___Hero checks



Title metiones, i tried to pulled off Seat 1 who is a good reg. If it fails as it happens, my equity isnt that bad because the 9 has a wide range of all 9s and is a loose donk that could pay me on later streets,and further streets are "easy" to play. 3rd cap is -EV and a leak, not sure whether it was tilt missclick or ...whatever it sucks.


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(Razz) Failing in pulling off 30/60 Quote
12-30-2009 , 01:18 AM
I probably fold 3rd and bet 7th.
(Razz) Failing in pulling off 30/60 Quote
12-30-2009 , 09:14 AM
lol i remember this hand. i was pretty tilted that you capped it.
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12-30-2009 , 09:32 AM
wtf third? River is fine.
(Razz) Failing in pulling off 30/60 Quote
12-30-2009 , 09:40 AM
Is it possible that capping 3rd may not be that bad because you probably have more than 33% equity 3-way vs the Jack? Or is that something better left for 5th Street when you are in second place?

@sickfade: you were Seat 6?

At micro and mini-stakes, I've found that even on hands where I might be ahead in later streets because an opponent paired, it is so difficult to win with a high card in the door because often opponents can often apply too much pressure, that I think even trying to play them with lower cards yet to act is -EV. Maybe you got some advanced skills that I don't know about though.
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12-30-2009 , 10:18 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TomGoogle
Is it possible that capping 3rd may not be that bad because you probably have more than 33% equity 3-way vs the Jack? Or is that something better left for 5th Street when you are in second place?

@sickfade: you were Seat 6?

At micro and mini-stakes, I've found that even on hands where I might be ahead in later streets because an opponent paired, it is so difficult to win with a high card in the door because often opponents can often apply too much pressure, that I think even trying to play them with lower cards yet to act is -EV. Maybe you got some advanced skills that I don't know about though.
1. It is possible, but not against the range of Js a good reg (yeah) calls there (even on tilt, leave dead cards aside). I see no card above 6 in his range beside the J calling there.

2. Im 100% sure Jones would have bet out 5 there, c/r was an option, i thought about quite a time after and while playin the hand. I came to the point that A the other loose donk will call often, B i dont make my hand face up, C I "risk" one bet to get in two others instead of pulling the donk off and make it 2 bets "risking" for another 2 bets, i kinda maximise my implied odds with not making my hand face up, the pot is that big i will called anyway later, good regs wont pay me ff when i c/r 5th there with much hand on 6th/7th... and E JJ will often chase again when he draws out.

3. @me you would have got a quick yes, otherwise do u think he speakes as "me" and talks of the dealer? lol


4. Depends, dont forget your huge implieds vs pressure-liking-opps. Good players adapt with much pressure, too. Its hard to adapt that and every scary card of the chaser is in his range for pairing holecards most of the time.


5. yes

6. i think the most important things in such jam hands is the factor how weak-loose your opps are/ what very big mistakes they make later, though you could reduce the reduction of -EV of his later mistakes with not jamming the pot early.

6 ****ing excuse my english



EDIT: 8. **** numbers
(Razz) Failing in pulling off 30/60 Quote
12-30-2009 , 02:38 PM
I would say that the third street cap was a misclick. Yes, a misclick. Cuz obviously you didn't really mean to cap it there.

He needs three perfect (well, almost perfect at least) down cards to have your ten beat. Whilst I don't see a better hand folding (more likely raising would be the case), I can certainly see a worse ten calling, or maybe a disbelieving jack. So whilst checking isn't bad, you have to ask yourself, would he call me with a worse ten or a jack? Since you seem to know more than I about these players, perhaps that's why you checked. I would likely throw caution to the wind tho and try for the value bet.

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12-31-2009 , 01:26 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by aufgeschwemm
Full Tilt Poker $30/$60 Limit Razz $5 Ante - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

3rd Street: (1 SB)
Seat 1: xx xx J
Seat 3: xx xx K
Hero: 6 A T___Hero calls___
Seat 6: xx xx 9____Seat 6 completes____
Seat 7: xx xx 8
Seat 8: xx xx T
so right here, the 9 is a three card hand 100% of the time and even reraising in the first place is -EV

more importantly, doing what you did is why this hand wasn't over on 6th
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12-31-2009 , 04:19 PM
bet river
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