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02-12-2009 , 11:58 AM

betgo

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b]Razz[/b] ($2/$4), Ante $0.25, Bring-In $1 (converter)

3rd Street - (0.75 SB)

Seat 3: xx xx T

___folds
Seat 4: xx xx 9

___raises
Hero: 6

___brings-in___calls
Seat 6: xx xx T

___folds
Seat 7: xx xx J

___folds
Seat 8: xx xx 5

___folds

4th Street - (2.75 SB)

Seat 4: xx xx 9

___bets
Hero: 6

___calls

5th Street - (2.38 BB)

Seat 4: xx xx 9

___bets
Hero: 6

___calls

6th Street - (4.38 BB)

Seat 4: xx xx 9

___bets
Hero: 6

___calls

River - (6.38 BB)

Seat 4: xx xx 9

xx___bets
Hero: 6

___calls

Total pot: (8.38 BB)

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02-12-2009 , 12:03 PM

Parallax

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4th seems horrendous to me...Giving villian a pretty raggedy hand here he is still way ahead.

cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
7c Kc Kd 6d 134314 26.86 365654 73.13 32 0.01 0.269
8c Th 9h Qd 365654 73.13 134314 26.86 32 0.01 0.731

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02-12-2009 , 12:27 PM

skoldpadda

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When you brick 4th, I think you should fold even when villain bricks

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02-12-2009 , 01:49 PM

JerBear77

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bring in defence is marginal IMO. Your hole cards are a tad rough. I would need something closer to 34 or 45 to defend here and really have a good 4th street to continue past that.

Now that you have called, yea fold 4th street. You really need to be competitive here to continue and you both bricking is not competitive.

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02-12-2009 , 02:04 PM

pdiggz

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Originally Posted by JerBear77

How good of a hand does the completer need to have, given his position? How does betgo's hand play against that range?

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02-12-2009 , 02:31 PM

electrical

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Unless he has a pair in the hole a majority of the time you should be through with this on Fourth. He will not have been dealt a pair nearly often enough for you to continue. Even then you're a dog but probably >< 40 percent.

I'll go ahead and assume this is a lc brag and say nh.

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02-12-2009 , 03:17 PM

adanthar

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third is fine and should probably be standard, fourth and fifth are lolbad

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02-12-2009 , 06:27 PM

SGspecial

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Originally Posted by adanthar

third is fine and should probably be standard, fourth and fifth are lolbad

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Originally Posted by Parallax

+2 (btw, run the same sim on propokertools giving villain random hole cards to see hero's actual equity).

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Originally Posted by electrical

Unless he has a pair in the hole a majority of the time you should be through with this on Fourth. He will not have been dealt a pair nearly often enough for you to continue. Even then you're a dog but probably >< 40 percent.

I'll go ahead and assume this is a lc brag and say nh.

+3. I gotta say I'm a little disenchanted here. I saw a post by betgo, the first in months, and got all juiced up but ???

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02-12-2009 , 08:48 PM

betgo

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Yeh, pretty bad mistake. Someone commented on it, so I posted it.

Folding 3rd is really bad. On 4th, the problem is not that we both bricked, but that both of my bricks are worse. If I pair on any street, it is almost impossible to win.

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02-13-2009 , 03:27 AM

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Originally Posted by betgo

River - (6.38 BB)

Seat 4: xx xx 9

xx___bets
Hero: 6

___calls

Total pot: (8.38 BB)

I do this exact thing. Would have here. Probably a good reason to never do it. Except - when you do, and especially when you win - every person at the table will, from then on in perpetuity, call you down with the most outrageously bad hands.

I love this play.

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02-13-2009 , 03:49 PM

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BigBiceps

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Fold fourth.

You have hardly any equity.

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02-13-2009 , 06:50 PM

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Sp00n

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I play it the same

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02-13-2009 , 06:55 PM

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SGspecial

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Originally Posted by Sp00n

I play it the same as...

???

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02-13-2009 , 11:46 PM

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betgo

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Originally Posted by Sp00n

I play it the same

That makes me feel better. I wasn't the only one who didn't realize how bad KK is.

Won the hand of course.

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02-14-2009 , 02:56 AM

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Originally Posted by betgo

That makes me feel better. .

Here now! Howcum when I said I'd play it that way it didn't make you feel better?!

um - nevermind

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02-14-2009 , 03:48 AM

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ItchyKnee

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The only thing that matters is what you will do with KK on 4th next time.

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02-14-2009 , 08:39 PM

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SGspecial

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Originally Posted by listening

Of course calling on 4th screams "bat**** crazy" and will ensure you some loose action, but isn't there are difference between inducing opponents to call you down when you show two paint cards on 4th vs. showing something actually scary?

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02-16-2009 , 01:49 AM

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Originally Posted by SGspecial

I'm not sure, again, I know just what you are asking - but if you play obviously bad hands, they just assume your xxA23 has a (J9) behind it. I've had 'em raise scary boards of mine with obvious junk - and get mad when I had what I repped.

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