Horse ring game seat 4 is table captain likes to correct players play on the table. Seems pretty solid but hard to push off a hand.

All comments appreciated!

Razz ($0.50/$1.00), Ante $0.05, Bring-In $0.25 (converter)

3rd Street - (0.70 SB)

Seat 1: xx xx 4___folds
Seat 2: xx xx 5___raises___calls
Seat 3: xx xx 7___folds
Seat 4: xx xx A___calls___calls
Seat 5: xx xx 8___brings-in___calls___calls
Hero: 5 6 A___calls___raises
Seat 8: xx xx 4___calls___calls

4th Street - (10.70 SB)

Seat 2: xx xx 5 Q___calls
Seat 4: xx xx A 2___bets
Seat 5: xx xx 8 K___folds
Hero: 5 6 A K___calls
Seat 8: xx xx 4 J___calls

5th Street - (7.35 BB)

Seat 2: xx xx 5 Q 9___folds
Seat 4: xx xx A 2 6___bets
Hero: 5 6 A K 3___calls
Seat 8: xx xx 4 J J___folds

6th Street - (9.35 BB)

Seat 4: xx xx A 2 6 6___bets___raises___calls
Hero: 5 6 A K 3 4___checks___raises___raises

River - (17.35 BB)

Seat 4: xx xx A 2 6 6 xx___raises___raises
Hero: 5 6 A K 3 4 8___bets___raises___calls

Total pot: (25.35 BB)

I think when he puts in the 27th raise you might need to suspect that he has a better 6 low, but congratulations if he didn't

Complete 3rd.
Fold 4th if the pot isn't big enough to correctly take another card.
No reason to limp raise here.

EDIT: Too much check raising. No need to get fancy with an aggro villain at .50/1

Yea you are going a little crazy with this, your hand is very good but you are beat here. I just flat call the first raise on 7th.

5th is a fold as

you *could*, but not especially likely, be drawing dead

he likely has a better draw than you, and a better made hand

a lot of outs are gone.

as for 6th im a huge fan of check raising ( in general ), but these are spots where your opponent is more apt to check behind than bet resulting in you losing one.

there are alot of ways to manage 7th if youre scared about losing bets being oop on 7th ( flatting a 3 bet on 6th giving you the option of drawing your wheel while still being able to lead 7th and call a rr for the same price as a 6th cap and a 7th check call ) but i'd not be capping off both streets.

hope you won/tied!

horserazz_lol 1 TIME BABY!

Impossible.

Better draw unlikely since he played so passively on Third.

This is true, but getting better than 8:1 I'm calling and unless villain catches a pretty card, I'm thinking an Eight is often good if I make it, a Seven is likely good, a Six for sure.

I agree. Lead/call and play the river.

I agree with all of this.

i admit to being lazy regarding the earliest stages and specifics of that hand/post, thanks for catching that...but im still content with folding 5th.

Ceegee i might have to disagree with you on this one.

SGspecial has taught me the advantage of limping in early position with big hands. If I complete here I get a bunch of calls. I am getting more money trapped in the pot with a very good hand. I could brick and it could be all for not but the times I catch good will make up for and then some the money I invest and have to fold when I brick on forth. If I expected to play heads up that would be different but look at all the people willing to join the 4th street party at this table.

That said I will listen to you or anyone that can make the compelling case to just complete here win or lose on 7th in this hand. I accomplished what I set out to do. The question is should I be setting out to trap all this money in the pot in a drawing game on 3rd street.

I would love to here from SGSpecial, Istackbooks, Listening and Electrical on my 3rd street play here.

FYI Ceegee you would have loved to play the stud rounds at this table you would have cleaned up or had a whole bunch of donkey-suck-out-on-you hands to post.

Your hand isn't really strong enough to warrant the L/RR on Third given the cards that are out, but it did build a huge pot that made your call on Fourth okay. With a smaller pot you'd be folding Fourth most of the time. The downside of that is that it made it correct for all your opponents to call Fourth as well, so you've created a mob scene and you're just part of the mob.

Well Ceegee I guess your right. When electrical post Lolo listens. I will admit i have been successful at building pots on third street recently. I sometimes feel I should get a commission for building a pot with a premium hand go brick brick fold and all my efforts go into someone else's stack. I have taken down some huge pots recently.

This hand may not be the poster child for a L/RR play, but look at the action it generated with most likely the best hand of the bunch. Only Seat 2 showed any interest in raising, and he even got scared off by the reraise so it's not too likely he had a 3-card bike. While there is a mob scene in this hand, lolo is the mob leader and can extract value from 4 other players when playing from ahead rather than only 1 in a HU pot. Plus, if you think most razz players are bad HU, most are even worse multiway. As long as you have the skills to exploit them, there's nothing to fear about creating a big multiway pot.

This is basically my thinking. My biggest problem is it is hard to get these players to lay down even when behind so it makes for an interesting ride but I have won some big pots recently playing hands like this.

First let me say that after getting off to an interesting start I really enjoy your post a lot and I look forward to them.

Now about folding on fifth. I am not thinking I am ahead here but I think the implied odds are good enough to peel here. These are not expert razz players I was playing against here even though some of them are more skill than some on the board here might give them credit for I don't think I am in the bad of shape with my 6 draw here based on the hand ranges these guys may have.

well you are giving them all pot odds by building the pot early on which is why they shouldn't and don't fold

Complete on the first pass on third street. A few of your cards are out, so your hand isn't so monstrous that you want to bloat the pot. You succeeded in making the pot plenty big enough to peel on fourth. Fifth is a call. You might be drawing slim, but the pot is too big to think about folding, in my opinion. I'd just bet out on sixth. When he three-balls you, it sure looks like he has a Six low. Would he three-bet you with a 76 when you have three to a wheel on board? Most wouldn't. If he does have a Six low, the best you can do right now is to tie him. You cannot have him beaten. I'd go into call-down mode.

Drum roll please.

Muck to my delight the villain in Seat 4: Hott2Handle showed [5c 7c Ad 2d 6h 6s Qh] and lost with Lo: 7,6,5,2,A

Please make detailed notes on this villain and raise him out of his nikes with a 6 low at every opportunity. That is all.

It's actually even worse than this. If he has a made 6, you can't have him even tied. At worse he could have 6542A (if he has a 6) which beats our hand. And you need to hit perfect (2 twos left in the deck) on the river to make a bicycle to win.

im glad the hand ended well for you, and i should clarify that i dont think its incorrect to call 5th but its just one of those spots that tends to result in unnecessary spew ( in my opinion ) that i would just as soon avoid.

thanks for the above statement tho. ive been feeling like its pretty pointless posting anything with depth or content ( even if im wrong ) here lately, as it generally *seems* to go unnoticed or overlooked. its nice to have a little appreciation shown even if youre just being nice. i know there are other razzers who feel the same.

i admire your dedication to learn and grow in this game!

Good catch.

group hug??