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12-29-2009 , 10:18 PM
My notes say villain is quite LAG and sometimes spewy.

Comments on all streets welcome, especially 4th.

Poker Stars $5/$10 Limit Razz $0.50 Ante - 7 players

3rd Street: (0.7 SB)
Seat 1: xx xx 4____Seat 1 raises
Hero: 3 2 J___Hero brings in for $2___Hero calls
Seat 4: xx xx J____Seat 4 folds
Seat 5: xx xx 9____Seat 5 folds
Seat 6: xx xx 5____Seat 6 folds
Seat 7: xx xx 9____Seat 7 folds
Seat 8: xx xx T____Seat 8 folds

4th Street: (2.7 SB) (2 players)
Seat 1: xx xx 4 T____Seat 1 bets
Hero: 3 2 J 7___Hero calls

5th Street: (2.35 BB) (2 players)
Seat 1: xx xx 4 T A____Seat 1 bets
Hero: 3 2 J 7 9___Hero calls

6th Street: (4.35 BB) (2 players)
Seat 1: xx xx 4 T A 8____Seat 1 bets____Seat 1 calls
Hero: 3 2 J 7 9 4___Hero raises

7th Street: (8.35 BB) (2 players)
Seat 1: xx xx 4 T A 8 xx____Seat 1 checks
Hero: 3 2 J 7 9 4 J___Hero, who has turned his hand face up, ???
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12-31-2009 , 02:49 AM
Whoa whoa whoa everybody, one at a time please!
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12-31-2009 , 04:49 AM
I'm fine with the hand on 3rd, 4th, and 5th. Basically plays like heads up with extra money sweetening the pot. (32)J is a reasonable hand to defend with heads up against (xx)4. You're basically a coinflip if you take it to showdown; you're playing at a disadvantage because of your Jack door card, but a lot of opponents won't adjust correctly against your Jack door defense.

On 6th street, is this an "I'm smarter than you" raise? The guy just led out into a probable made 9-7. If he's halfway decent, he knows you're never folding 6th street. Even if the 4 paired you, you're going to draw to your 9 and call the river if you make it.

If he has a made 8, he's making a value bet.

If he has a made 9-8 or T-8, then he's never folding 6th street (he's drawing to an 8), and he can expect to get a free river card at least some of the time if he checks (because he's actually in an awesome spot to check/raise with a made 8 and you should know that). And he doesn't need to rep a hand to have any fold equity on the river, because you'd only fold a T-9 or worse on the river, and he doesn't want you to fold those. So a made 9-8 or T-8 should be a check/call for Villain here. Anything else is just spewy.

And if he was making a desperate bluff without even having a T-8, you probably cost yourself by raising. At least some of the time (the times that he doesn't improve to a Ten low), he'll bluff the river as well, hoping that you end up with a J-9 and that you fold it against a 4-T-A-8 board, and you don't want to chase him out of the hand before giving him that chance.


So, basically, your raise on 6th is saying, "I think you have a 9-8 or a T-8, and furthermore, I think that you spewed by leading out with it." If the guy really is a total spew-meister, maybe it's okay, but I usually hate making bets which are only profitable against Villains who are spewing. The problem is, even if the guy is totally capable of spewing, he's also capable of having a made 8 here, and will certainly know well enough to punish you hard for your raise.
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12-31-2009 , 05:01 PM
Yeah, 3rd seemed standard.

I'm ahead of a random hand on 4th and 5th. But I guess I'm not far enough ahead to compensate me for the times I'm behind?


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Originally Posted by jbrennen
On 6th street, is this an "I'm smarter than you" raise? The guy just led out into a probable made 9-7. If he's halfway decent, he knows you're never folding 6th street. Even if the 4 paired you, you're going to draw to your 9 and call the river if you make it.

If he has a made 8, he's making a value bet.

If he has a made 9-8 or T-8, then he's never folding 6th street (he's drawing to an 8), and he can expect to get a free river card at least some of the time if he checks (because he's actually in an awesome spot to check/raise with a made 8 and you should know that). And he doesn't need to rep a hand to have any fold equity on the river, because you'd only fold a T-9 or worse on the river, and he doesn't want you to fold those. So a made 9-8 or T-8 should be a check/call for Villain here. Anything else is just spewy.

Villain is LAG and sometimes spewy.

And if he was making a desperate bluff without even having a T-8, you probably cost yourself by raising. At least some of the time (the times that he doesn't improve to a Ten low), he'll bluff the river as well, hoping that you end up with a J-9 and that you fold it against a 4-T-A-8 board, and you don't want to chase him out of the hand before giving him that chance.

This, I didn't think of.


So, basically, your raise on 6th is saying, "I think you have a 9-8 or a T-8, and furthermore, I think that you spewed by leading out with it." If the guy really is a total spew-meister, maybe it's okay, but I usually hate making bets which are only profitable against Villains who are spewing. The problem is, even if the guy is totally capable of spewing, he's also capable of having a made 8 here, and will certainly know well enough to punish you hard for your raise.
Same goes for 6th, except this time I'm a more dominant 3:1 favorite against a random hand and I think this player is LAG/spewy enough to be betting out 100% of the time here. If he has a better hand, this is an exercise in money burning, but isn't being a 75% favorite against most of his range enough to compensate for that?
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01-01-2010 , 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by jbrennen

So, basically, your raise on 6th is saying, "I think you have a 9-8 or a T-8, and furthermore, I think that you spewed by leading out with it." If the guy really is a total spew-meister, maybe it's okay, but I usually hate making bets which are only profitable against Villains who are spewing. The problem is, even if the guy is totally capable of spewing, he's also capable of having a made 8 here, and will certainly know well enough to punish you hard for your raise.
An excellent analysis.

Villain here could about as easily have decent starting cards as crappy ones, thus just automatically assuming he started with total dog doo might be a mistake.
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01-25-2010 , 12:12 PM
4th St. looks OK to me.

6th St. looks risky to me because your hand if face up. If Villain could beat it you could have gotten 3bet. Now on river, if Villain can't beat 97 he won't call, whereas before he would have bet out probably as a bluff or he might C/C. So you might get only 2 BB between 6/7 with that raise anyway, but if you were behind it could have cost you more.
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01-25-2010 , 06:28 PM
raise this hand on 4th street. this will help define villain's hole cards and its cheaper than doing it on 6th. Also, you will find that many villain's here will raise you back with bricks down because "OMGZ did he just raise me with a J7? I'm showing a T4 WTF". This is great for your bottom line. And, unless you know for certain that he's never doing this with air, then calling him down with just about anything is key if he raises back.

Also, raise 5th as played...

I like raising....
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01-25-2010 , 06:52 PM
Also don't we raise 4th because we're ahead of his betting range and because we're like a 60/40 dog at worst and like a 65/35 dog at best??
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01-25-2010 , 07:18 PM
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Originally Posted by TheYellow
Also don't we raise 4th because we're ahead of his betting range and because we're like a 60/40 dog at worst and like a 65/35 dog at best??
If I'm in Seat 1, you're way behind my betting range.
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01-26-2010 , 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by jbrennen
If I'm in Seat 1, you're way behind my betting range.
True.

But you're not spewy.
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01-26-2010 , 03:49 PM
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Originally Posted by RainmanTrail
raise this hand on 4th street. 1- this will help define villain's hole cards and its cheaper than doing it on 6th. Also, you will find that 2 - many villain's here will raise you back with bricks down because "OMGZ did he just raise me with a J7? I'm showing a T4 WTF". This is great for your bottom line. And, unless you know for certain that he's never doing this with air, then calling him down with just about anything is key if he raises back.
3 - And sometimes they'll flat my raise with (85)4T, too... I'm not sure how much anything he does will narrow his range considering he's fairly spewy.
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01-26-2010 , 07:22 PM
easy check on 7th

i love every street btw
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