Then the call button.....ok?


b]Razz[/b] ($0.50/$1), Ante $0.10, Bring-In $0.15 (converter)

3rd Street - (1.60 SB)

Seat 1: xx xx J___brings-in___folds
Seat 2: xx xx A___folds
Seat 3: xx xx J___folds
Seat 4: xx xx 7___folds
Seat 5: xx xx A___folds
Hero: 5 7 2___completes___calls
Seat 7: xx xx 5___raises
Seat 8: xx xx 6___folds

4th Street - (5.90 SB)

Hero: 5 7 2 4___checks
Seat 7: xx xx 5 4___checks

5th Street - (2.95 BB)

Hero: 5 7 2 4 3___bets
Seat 7: xx xx 5 4 3___calls

6th Street - (4.95 BB)

Hero: 5 7 2 4 3 4___calls
Seat 7: xx xx 5 4 3 6___bets

River - (6.95 BB)

Hero: 5 7 2 4 3 4 J___calls
Seat 7: xx xx 5 4 3 6 xx___bets

Total pot: (8.95 BB - $8.95)

bet 4th. and yeah call down 6th and 7th

.. what pdiggz said

This might be a theory question that is different than the "2 card game"

What is the purpose of the bet on 4th? Certainly can't be for value unless I'm missing something....and I can't see villain folding anything here based on 3rd. Don't we want to wait for something more obvious that we are ahead before we take the initiative?

I don't mind the check on 4th on occaison. In this case it really ought to convince you of one of 2 things:
* he paired 4th
* his down cards are not that good, maybe a rough 8 draw?

I mean, really, who checks behind 4th there with anything good?

you can only beat 87 and 82 and tie with 72, right? if i saw his board i'd be terrified and fold, i just think, HOW can he not have a six?

Uh, you beat all 8s, and 76s. There are 2 dead aces and a dead 2 so his chances are *somewhat* less of having a 6 than you might think. However, the 4s and 3s are pretty dead also which reduces his chances of having paired them. I'm playing 3 tables or I'd plug it into the sim myself, but I just can't see myself folding a 75 here.

*especially* given action on 4th.

he just needs to have a pair (3, 4, or 6) and a 7 (or worse) in the hole and you have the best hand (on 6th). this seems pretty reasonable to me. 2 aces and 1 two are dead. this doesnt mean he can't have an ace or two, but 75's do pretty well against his range of hands. yeah, you're beat some but you're good more than enough to call down. you shouldn't raise, but you shouldn't fold a 75 in this spot either. plus seeing a showdown gives you some info about his raise on 3rd and then check behind on 4th.

If he checked behind a 4 card 7 or better I am avoiding his ass from now on unless he's super passive in general. I do not need that kind of headaches in my life.

this is a fair question. i think you should usually bet. i think its most important to balance your range, though. if you check paired hands sometimes on 4th, then you should probably check strong hands on 4th sometimes, too. i would usually bet because i would usually bet when i paired, also. betting should help get you folds later in the hand. many times you want folds later in the hand. betting looks strong, checking looks weak. it will be harder to get a fold later if you start pairing on 5th/6th, since your opponent may now think you paired on 4th and decides to call you down. also, if a play is about even between betting and checking i usually bet because it is more aggressive and who knows he might fold now or he may put you on a strong hand and fold later (when you may really want him to fold).

Also, you are pretty much never worse than even money on 4th and often a bit ahead.

I think betting 4th depends on what we know about the opponent. If I think my hand is second best, I'm never betting 4th vs. a credible opponent, it'll just lead to me getting raised a large percentage of the time.

If I'm doing this to trap an opponent, I probably check as well and go for the CR.

With villain checking 4th, I think the rest of the hand plays itself out, as we have reason to believe villain paired on 4th, if not on 5th.

K.I.S.S.

This is .50/1. First Rule: no free cards. I have several players who raise 3rd with (AK)5. Why? Bricking is SOP so often. No free cards. You bet for information, you bet to declare you have 4 live cards for fold equity later. You bet because a surprising amount of the time they fold. You bet because he might have paired. You bet 4th at .50/1 when you are good unless you are trying to check/raise. But rarely do that because they rarely bet if you don't no matter what they have. You bet to see if he raises.