No previous read on Seat 6, but his style of play becomes clear (potential board-illiterate LOOOOOOSE PASSIVE).

Seat 2 has at least a 40% VPIP in the tightest ante structure I've ever seen. He likes to donk rivers and it's always $#@!ing weird. Out of the ~6 or so that I've seen, the majority are desperation bluffs and/or "Worst Play in Razz" bets but he's also done it with nutty hands twice. Never been in the right spot to raise him and see what happens, though.

$3/$6 Limit Razz $0.25 Ante - 7 players


3rd Street: (0.583 SB)
Seat 1: xx xx K____Seat 1 brings in for $1____Seat 1 folds
Seat 2: xx xx 6____Seat 2 calls____Seat 2 calls
Hero: 5 3 4___Hero raises
Seat 5: xx xx T____Seat 5 folds
Seat 6: xx xx 8____Seat 6 calls
Seat 7: xx xx 5____Seat 7 folds
Seat 8: xx xx 3____Seat 8 folds

Thought about a limp-raise here, but chains of limpers had been extremely frequent and I'd done the L/RR twice in the last ~20 hands, so I decided to just raise.

4th Street: (3.917 SB) (3 players)
Seat 2: xx xx 6 4____Seat 2 bets
Hero: 5 3 4 J___Hero calls
Seat 6: xx xx 8 A____Seat 6 calls

5th Street: (3.458 BB) (3 players)
Seat 2: xx xx 6 4 Q____Seat 2 checks____Seat 2 calls
Hero: 5 3 4 J 7___Hero bets
Seat 6: xx xx 8 A 9____Seat 6 checks____Seat 6 calls

6th Street: (6.458 BB) (3 players)
Seat 2: xx xx 6 4 Q T____Seat 2 checks____Seat 2 calls
Hero: 5 3 4 J 7 A___Hero bets
Seat 6: xx xx 8 A 9 T____Seat 6 checks____Seat 6 calls

7th Street: (9.458 BB) (3 players)
Seat 2: xx xx 6 4 Q T xx____Seat 2 bets
Hero: 5 3 4 J 7 A 6___Hero ???
Seat 6: xx xx 8 A 9 T xx____

Reminder: He (Seat 2) likes to donk rivers with the nuts, with (Q5)986J(T) lows vs (xx)23KK(x), and pure bluffs, regardless of the previous action.

4th is an easy muck but once you get to the river you can either call and hope for the overcall by an 8 or since he's showing a 6 and limpcalled 3rd its extremely likely you have the best hand with a 75 and raise for value. (he only beats you with exactly a23, a25, a35, 235 in the hole, but you beat any other combo of cards). Two As, 3s and 5s are dead.

please explain why 4th is an easy fold. thanks, i'll hang up and listen for your answer.

Folding 4th 0% of the time here, and i am also raising 7th 100% of the time after his check on 5th.

+1

The guy limp-called 3rd and checked 5th, both indicating he's atleast semi-weak. Even though he's very passive you cant give him credit for a better 6 than you on 7th. Raise and call if he 3bets.

I didnt even see that we had a 6 there, i thought we had a 76 which i was raising. I not only raise 7th, but if he reraises i cap here.

So he donks with everything then?

I'm not sure how 7th is anything but a raise versus the opponent you just described

You are not afraid of getting squeezed by seat 6? Any reasonably decent player will raise unless paired and you could be facing two more bets to you as well as possisbly a cap.

No, not really worried about a cold call 8 raising a 64.

Also i am never completing or raising 3rd if i plan on folding 4th. (Unless it is a steal attempt gone bad)
That's just me tho.

On 4th, I have 27% equity against the stronger end of their starting ranges, a live hand, 5:1 immediate pot odds, and great implied odds against an unknown with an 8 showing and a proven donkey who limp-called 3rd.

4th is a shining example of when to continue with (what is probably) the worst hand in a multiway pot.

Absolutely not a fold on 4th!

And, yes, I'm calling a cap here if that's what it takes. But villains are unlikely to cap for three reasons, each of which is enough to prevent a cap: (1) Pairing, and that ace is a super duper likely pair card, (2) Not having the guts to cap (we're at $3/6, not $30/60), and (3) one guy limp-called, meaning his hand may not even be good enough to get value out of a cap. That makes this an even easier call.

I worded this poorly. He donks with all kinds of hands, but he does not donk every single time. More like a random assortment of his final hands.


I likely get value on 7th from the limper by raising, but getting jammed by a better 6 is not out of the question. Raising 7th is also much more likely to get Mr. Boardlocked to fold instead of call. Overall, I'm not sure which line is higher EV.

So what were the results?

Let's wait until some more of the wise forum elders respond.

I like a raise. If I were seat 2 and had a strong 6, I would check 7th, let you bet, let 6 6 call, and then raise.

He would be missing sooo much value with a 6 by leading 7th. He gets twice as much if he c/r. I'm putting him on 764.

If you have the best hand and flat call, you get 1bb out of seat 6 and 1bb out of seat 2. If you raise, you might get 2bb out of seat 6, but not likely. But you still get 2bb out of seat 2.

A call gets you 2bb with the best hand.

A raise gets you 2bb if not 4bb.

I suggest raise if you are at least 75% sure you have seat 2 beat.

No way capping. How often is someone going to 3-bet a made 76 into a 74A board that is raising?

The guy check/called a 46Q to a 47J on 5th..what exactly do u think he has in the hole?

No Clue..but it is $3/6 and no way do i see him ever beating our A3456.

6543a is the second worst 6 you can have. if he has a 6, he pretty much has you beat. just because he leads out doesn't mean he has a 6, but a 3-bet pretty much would.

The guy check/called a 46Q to a 47J on 5th..what exactly do u think he has in the hole?

I play that way with a2 in the hole. i want him to call me light when i hit on 6th.

If i have A2 in the hole, i'm check raising 5th to either A.) Get more of seat 6's dead $ in the pot, or B.) Get the hand HU with a better draw.

Yeah forgot about the other guy. In HU, he could be strong with such a passive play, but I doubt he would play that passively with another guy drawing to a weaker hand that is also involoved.