pay for my flight and i'll donate all weekend

The Borg is applying for a regulatory change? I didnt think the NJ gaming law allowed razz to be spread. Even their mixed game tournaments that have mixed games use HOSE instead of HORSE, and I was always told that it was because of the law.

If they spread Razz, I will come up and play for a bit for sure.

yea it was? definitely against the law; not sure about now

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Excellent! I would love to get actual HORSE games going there.

if they had a 75/150 triple stud game, I don't think I would leave...

also this should be moved to the B&M thread?

[x] The poast-moving fairy has granted your wish

will update this to try to organize a meet up once they get the game off the ground (also when reports of the dealers dealing a flop by accident subside).

They will never subside. Even at the Taj, I see flop dealing fairly regularly in stud games.

Yes, commerce ALWAYS has a 4/8 stud game running, usually 2-5 during the weekdays, 3-6, maybe more, on the weekends. 4/8 stud is (relatively) popular here, and FILLED with regs, all of which are bad and do their very best to give you money.

Although I haven't played there in 2 months, the Bike had, and probably still does have, a regular 4/8 stud hi/lo game. Its sometimes tough to get off on the weekdays, usually 1 table, sometimes 2. Don't remember seeing it get 3 tables. The weekends theres usually at least 1 going off the whole weekend, a lot of times a 2nd pops up. Doesn't go straight through the weekend mind you, it'll die for a few hours in the morning. Same thing as commerce - terrible regs.

Spent the weekend playing 20/40 at Commerce. Kind of depressing actually - they were struggling to keep one 20/40 table going almost the entire time. Maybe I just caught a slow time, but if stud falls off the cliff there, then there isn't much left outside of Foxwoods I guess. 30/60 seemed a little healthier, but not by much. There was a 100/200 game going, but no way would I touch that one.

The part of these games that really puzzles me, is how seemingly intelligent players continually go off on the dealers, as if they have some kind of control over what hands these guys get. It's not just the odd player either - there is a significant number of players are constantly after the dealer because they are the BI too often, they don't hit their hands, or that it has been forever since they were dealt a winner. Then they will throw the cards at the dealer. More than once I ended up catching cards (literally) that were chucked the dealers way - avoid seat 8 or 1 if you don't want this happening to you

The pit bosses seem powerless to do anything about this, as they don't want to risk alienating any paying customer, but this stuff seems out of line to me.

But back to the players - how can they be so blind and clueless? Some of them don't actually play too bad a game either.

Intelligence and assholishness are not mutually exclusive

They also risk alienating paying customers by condoning this kind of behavior. I know what my preference is.

Was like that over the summer when I was there, though the game seemed pretty healthy with two tables and two 30-60s. The bitching and card hurling is ridiculous, but in fairness I even saw some of that in the stud events at WSOP.

I got on all the lists, sat in the 20 and never got called for the others. The 100 looked softer than the 30, but I only railed it briefly. The 30 game looked the toughest the days I was there.

Having 20, 30 and 100 stud running in one room doesn't seem like the game is doing too badly.

I'm comparing to my recent experience at Commerce. Usually there were 2 or 3 20 games running and often 1 or 2 30 games. The 100/200 game almost seemed pre-arranged with a bunch of guys showing up all at once. On this weekend, I spent a lot of time playing short handed at the one 20/40 game that was going - on both Friday and Saturday night. In some cases heads-up just to keep the game from breaking entirely. There were lots of comments about how the economy is taking its toll, and that the casino has been forced to lay off staff recently.

I may try timing one of my trips to be at the same time as one of the major tournaments. Maybe that would be a time with better traffic.

[x] Confirmed terrible playing douchebags at the Commerce Casino in pretty much every game. The stud and omaha players are even worse than the hold em players, from my experience.

Why, because of the stakes or the players? Last time I checked it out, Jean-Robert Bellande and David Williams were playing in that game so I assumed it was good. Maybe they are stud savants but every NLHE tournament pro I've played against in stud games has had some pretty substantial leaks. LOL sample size maybe however.

Both. I am not comfortable at those levels, especially with opponents that are unknown to me. These guys did not look like Holdem refugees - mostly middle ages guys that seemed awful comfortable in that game. Malmuth's poker essays were going through my head when I walked by the table - that the top stud players are likely the best poker players in the world. That would be my working assumption with that crowd until proven otherwise, by watching the game, which I didn't. I consider myself a mucker and not capable of hanging with top level guys.

I have seen plenty of decent Holdem guys show up at the Stud tables, and they are pretty easy to spot by the way they play - most end up cursing and busted in an hour or less. These guys didn't appear to fit the profile.

Any commerce Stud game I've been in is the most predictable experience ever. You can call out all the old guys hands, and the crazy asian guys will bet every street with A high. They've all been super good imo.

Racist bannaments.

Can I talk about the crazy russians who play me from 5 different accounts? Oh wait this is B&M

so far ive been doing very good at the commerce 30/60 stud game and am looking to move up, but the 100/200 seems like too big of a leap.. any reccomendations? I am willing to travel to wherever in the country.

I was told there was a razz interest list at the IP in biloxi last night, as well as 2-7TD. The WSOPc is going on right now and i'll be there this weekend. PM me if you want to start up a razz list.

There was some 40/80 activity at Foxwoods this weekend, and 75/150 went quite regularly. Activity was likely higher than usual, due to the tournament, but the stud activity was way broader and better than I have seen at Commerce recently. On Saturday there was three 20/40 games going, and a wait list probably 15 people deep. All the tables were in use, so they were not able to start the 4'th table. I think there were 3 10/20 games as well.

I used to favor Commerce for stud, but I am becoming a Foxwoods convert now.

hi everyone...i am interested in getting some of the twoplustwoers who live near atlantic city to try and get in on the action being spread at the 5-10 stud game at the borgata...this is a solid game with some regulars and a good mix of people. i have played in it twice now and they have me leaving my regular weekly game at the taj...anyone wanna try it or have questions drop me a message.

Suncoast in Summerlin (Las Vegas) now has a 4/8 Stud8 every Wednesday at noon. Hopefully it gets off the ground because the one at Sam's Town died.

Going to Vegas for work next month. Is this Stud Hi info still accurate? There are no Stud Hi games below $10/20 anywhere in Vegas? Any low limit Razz? Low limit Stud8 (other than the aforementioned noon game)? Mixed games?

Thanks...

There is a 1-5 $.25 ante stud hi game at Sam's Town daily that runs from about 7am-5pm. On Saturdays from about 11am-4pm El Cortez has a 1-4 stud hi game with no ante. Both are extremely tight games.

Stud H/L is now twice a week in LV. The Suncoast 4/8 ($1 ante $2 BI) game runs from about 11am-5pm. Sam's Town has also revived "The Hoggie" Fridays at 3pm.

"The Hoggie" is like a home stud8 game.

2-10, 2-20 on river $1 ante

High card brings in

$100 scoop creates a kill pot where winner has to put $10 up and you have to come in for $10 on 3rd if you want to play. The bringin can come in for $2, then decide if they want to call $8 after it goes around. They can also raise if they wish in that situation. The $10 blind gets last action if no raise.

2 pair qualifier for high, 8 or better for low. You can hog with a low if nobody has 2 pair+ and if nobody qualifies the pot is split among players in.

9 handed game

I feel like I'm leaving some other bizarre rule out but you get the idea. It's actually a pretty lively game. A couple of rocks that play way too tight to make money but other than that there is action. It is a VERY old crowd and slow paced.