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Is 6th street a lead? Is 6th street a lead?

07-31-2023 , 04:25 AM
Hello, back on 2 + 2, lost my old account with some posts many years back. New to Stud and have a question about 6th street here, any input is appreciated. Is 6th street a mandatory bet from hero?

Sorry for the crappy Hand History format.

**|5d - brings in /call

**|9s- folds

8h 9h|Jh - hero completes

**|7c - folds

**|Js - folds
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4th St

8h 9h|Jh 3h - Bet

**|5d 4s - Call
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5th St


8h 9h|Jh 3h 9d - Check

**|5d 4s 6c - Check

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6th St


8h 9h|Jh 3h 9d 2h - Check

**|5d 4s 6c 3s - Check


Our hand is obviously crushing here
**5d|4s6c3s 1.6287%
8h9h|Jh3h9d2h 98.3713%

if we catch say a K/A then equities are basically a coin flip
**5d|4s6c3s 48.2373%
8h9h|Jh3h9dKd 51.7627%

a T/Q/7 and we have about 60/40 edge, and most other cards are good for us as well. Do we lose too much value by checking, or do we need to protect out one pair hands here? Try to go for the Check/Raise.
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07-31-2023 , 04:38 AM
I mean, 5th is a lead here. The bring in is likely somewhat wide and a 3 and 7 are dead. After he checks fifth, I’d lead 6th
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07-31-2023 , 03:24 PM
How wide do you think the bring in is here? I can't imagine they are just calling any two over as we are opening from the "High-Jack". I think on 5th they have a lot of pair + draw in their range that would bet if checked to and we can Check/Raise. Our hand is less vulnerable to giving a free card if it does check through.

On 6th there is a dead 3/7 and we just caught a 2. Are you fine betting with just 9's and calling a raise and 7th?
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07-31-2023 , 08:53 PM
Unless I’m misreading the hand, on fifth you have 99 and a flush draw and on sixth you have a flush.
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07-31-2023 , 11:28 PM
Correct, we have a flush of 6th. My question is, are you betting 6th with a pair unimproved?
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08-01-2023 , 09:57 AM
My question is why didn’t you bet fifth
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08-02-2023 , 01:28 AM
" I think on 5th they have a lot of pair + draw in their range that would bet if checked to and we can Check/Raise. Our hand is less vulnerable to giving a free card if it does check through. "
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08-03-2023 , 12:55 PM
Yeah against a four liner on sixth I check without the flush
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08-07-2023 , 04:37 PM
5th seems like a bet On 6th, I might play for a x/r with the flush against that board.
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09-27-2023 , 06:33 AM
POST GRUNCH NOTE: Okay I didnt read past the OP before I wrote what I wrote below. Clearly you're thinking about ranges, so ignore any part doubting that, and hopefully this is helpful

Hi, it's hard to decipher what your intentions are throughout these streets. When you check on an early street, like 5th, are you doing this because of range advantage and dead cards, for pot control, why? I could tell you youre right or wrong on a street, but I'm not sure if you're right for the right reasons or accidentally y'know?

Here's how I'd play multiple situations, assuming your board runs out the way it does:

3rd complete. 4th since we completed through a J repping a strong range and less of a steal, when we catch a suited card I'm still betting. 5th we bet 4th and 9 is a good card for our range, one 7 is dead and he's rainbow, so we're still betting. 6th, 7 and 2 is out which isn't great for the exact scenario, but our range wants to check and loves to see it check through typically, so we check, yes. 7th mix bets with cr depending on a bunch of stuff.

2nd situation

3rd complete. 4th we catch offsuit 3 instead of suited, now we check because our range has more combinations of suited stuff and unpaired connected cards that whiffed and his range has more things that like a 4. We will assume they bet and we call. 5th 9 is dead and we catch offsuit card so if we check they bet alot. 7 is also dead giving them fewer straights, we have multiple options now that all start with checking this street expecting a bet. We can cr, which is a little thin but fine given all of the removal, we can check call and delay cr to 6th depending on what we catch and what they catch. These are all examples of protecting our ranges and being balanced based on details

3rd situation

We're the last Jack instead of a jack that completed from earlier position through a jack, therefor we're effectively the steal and our range is weak. We catch the suited 3 but we have a hand way less here relative to the other position so we can check 4th, since on average his range is already stronger and improves more on this street, we call. 5th we can check and expect a bet again. This time with the 4 flush and pair we have a much higher frequency bordering on mandatory raise that can mix with a small % delayed cr on 6th. You can weigh the pros and cons of both. If you cc 5th youre def cr 6th.

Hope these examples made sense and helped
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09-27-2023 , 09:55 AM
Oss, when you make a flush on sixth here and you check, do you c/r?
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11-30-2023 , 03:34 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by oscillator
POST GRUNCH NOTE: Okay I didnt read past the OP before I wrote what I wrote below. Clearly you're thinking about ranges, so ignore any part doubting that, and hopefully this is helpful

Hi, it's hard to decipher what your intentions are throughout these streets. When you check on an early street, like 5th, are you doing this because of range advantage and dead cards, for pot control, why? I could tell you youre right or wrong on a street, but I'm not sure if you're right for the right reasons or accidentally y'know?

Here's how I'd play multiple situations, assuming your board runs out the way it does:

3rd complete. 4th since we completed through a J repping a strong range and less of a steal, when we catch a suited card I'm still betting. 5th we bet 4th and 9 is a good card for our range, one 7 is dead and he's rainbow, so we're still betting. 6th, 7 and 2 is out which isn't great for the exact scenario, but our range wants to check and loves to see it check through typically, so we check, yes. 7th mix bets with cr depending on a bunch of stuff.

2nd situation

3rd complete. 4th we catch offsuit 3 instead of suited, now we check because our range has more combinations of suited stuff and unpaired connected cards that whiffed and his range has more things that like a 4. We will assume they bet and we call. 5th 9 is dead and we catch offsuit card so if we check they bet alot. 7 is also dead giving them fewer straights, we have multiple options now that all start with checking this street expecting a bet. We can cr, which is a little thin but fine given all of the removal, we can check call and delay cr to 6th depending on what we catch and what they catch. These are all examples of protecting our ranges and being balanced based on details

3rd situation

We're the last Jack instead of a jack that completed from earlier position through a jack, therefor we're effectively the steal and our range is weak. We catch the suited 3 but we have a hand way less here relative to the other position so we can check 4th, since on average his range is already stronger and improves more on this street, we call. 5th we can check and expect a bet again. This time with the 4 flush and pair we have a much higher frequency bordering on mandatory raise that can mix with a small % delayed cr on 6th. You can weigh the pros and cons of both. If you cc 5th youre def cr 6th.

Hope these examples made sense and helped
This made a lot of sense. Thank you for the thorough reply.
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