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4c/8c: I make two pair, am I a pansy? 4c/8c: I make two pair, am I a pansy?

11-03-2009 , 04:41 AM
Poker Stars $0.04/$0.08 Limit Stud $0.01 Ante - 7 players
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3rd Street: (1.75 SB)
Hero: T A J___Hero calls
Seat 2: xx xx 5____Seat 2 calls
Seat 3: xx xx 4____Seat 3 calls
Seat 4: xx xx 6____Seat 4 calls
Seat 6: xx xx 2____Seat 6 brings in for $0.02
Seat 7: xx xx 5____Seat 7 folds
Seat 8: xx xx 4____Seat 8 folds

4th Street: (4.25 SB) (5 players)
Hero: T A J T___Hero bets___Hero calls
Seat 2: xx xx 5 9____Seat 2 folds
Seat 3: xx xx 4 J____Seat 3 calls____Seat 3 calls
Seat 4: xx xx 6 7____Seat 4 raises
Seat 6: xx xx 2 Q____Seat 6 checks____Seat 6 calls

5th Street: (6.125 BB) (4 players)
Hero: T A J T 3___Hero checks___Hero calls
Seat 3: xx xx 4 J 2____Seat 3 checks____Seat 3 folds
Seat 4: xx xx 6 7 3____Seat 4 bets
Seat 6: xx xx 2 Q K____Seat 6 checks____Seat 6 calls

6th Street: (9.125 BB) (3 players)
Hero: T A J T 3 J___Hero checks___Hero calls
Seat 4: xx xx 6 7 3 3____Seat 4 bets
Seat 6: xx xx 2 Q K 7____Seat 6 calls

7th Street: (12.125 BB) (3 players)
Hero: T A J T 3 J 7___Hero checks___Hero calls
Seat 4: xx xx 6 7 3 3 xx____Seat 4 bets
Seat 6: xx xx 2 Q K 7 xx____Seat 6 calls

Should I have raised 6th street?
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11-03-2009 , 05:45 AM
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Should I have raised 6th street?
I would have just to see where u were at..if he reraises, i'd prob. call 6th and hope to fill 7th and if not fold. My guess is you are either up a well played straight, or trips..but i also have not ever played as low as you were playing, so it could very well be just 2 pair. Higher stakes though, i would play it as i said.
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11-03-2009 , 05:26 PM
Yeah, sorry, I know most people here play much higher stakes. Hopefully that will be me one day. Any advice is helpful.
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11-03-2009 , 06:06 PM
This is one of those hands that I complete on 3rd as a steal. You have crappy dead low cards behind you and your pair outs are live as can be. Maybe not at 4c/8c whatever. As played, I'd bet out on 6th, its hard for you to be beat unless he had 45 in the whole and you dont want him to be checking behind.
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11-03-2009 , 07:11 PM
omg stud_lol ;D
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11-03-2009 , 09:28 PM
Does anyone else seriously consider folding 5th?
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11-04-2009 , 12:21 AM
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Originally Posted by BestServedCold
Does anyone else seriously consider folding 5th?
absolutely.

I also prefer a completion on 3rd with these types of hands way more than I do a call. But not to get confused into thinking that these hands are gold or anything and sholud always be raised (or even played for that matter) because sometimes they will need to be folded when there are too many high cards out on 3rd and/or if the pot had already been raised or reraised before it gets to you etc..But, in this hand, having the only high card out of the entire bunch...you sholud've completed 3rd and tried to narrow the field as this hand will do much better against one, maybe two opponents because if you do catch a pair, not only does it stand to be the best hand but it will probably hold up for you a lot more often than when everyone is drawing against you, and, it will also be easier for you to buy the pot with a bet due to board strength alone.
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11-04-2009 , 01:02 AM
Realize that your hand is pretty sketchy on third street. If you can't bet your two pair on sixth street, fold fifth street instead.
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11-04-2009 , 03:31 AM
raise 3rd !


watch the dead cards - looking for 4s 5s 7s ... when they start to fall in other players' hands you can be very confident that your hand is good.


c/r on 6th would be overplaying your hand though imo ... even when your hand is good you only want to play to the level of strength where you get legit action.
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11-05-2009 , 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Rush17
absolutely.
Never. Folding for a single bet in the microstakes is usually a bad idea, but with two 4's and two 5's dead villain is gonna have to show me the straight (or trips) to get me to fold here.
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11-05-2009 , 12:55 PM
well, given our board, how do you feel about a b/f on 5th then? providing that seat 4 raises us of course.

I guess this is hard for me to answer because I don't find myself in too many of these situations---if I'm playing this hand given those boards, I'm completing 3rd, I'm not going through it aimlessly.
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11-05-2009 , 07:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Rush17
well, given our board, how do you feel about a b/f on 5th then? providing that seat 4 raises us of course.

I guess this is hard for me to answer because I don't find myself in too many of these situations---if I'm playing this hand given those boards, I'm completing 3rd, I'm not going through it aimlessly.
Like you alluded to, hero played this hand so weakly on 3rd/4th that b/f may not be good on 5th either. Clearly villain is either excited about his hand, or figures hero has nothing (or is testing him), but what villain is getting excited about isn't very clear and likely never will be at penny ante stakes. If OP starts to develop some reads on specific opponents he can fold spots like this, but maybe villain has two small pair here, wired KK, a pair and a crippled gutshot, who knows? I'd hate to fold to any of those and they seem much more likely than trips or a baby straight.
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11-05-2009 , 10:09 PM
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Originally Posted by SGspecial
hero played this hand so weakly on 3rd/4th
4th should have been 3-bet?
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11-09-2009 , 02:17 AM
unless seat 6 is a complete calling station, you can lay down you hand on 6th, and certainly on the river imho

seat 4 has represented at least a two pair hand since 4th street, and seat 6 is calling down...with KQ showing seat 6 figures to have a higher two pair than you...very unlikely both are so weak you can win

re: 3 betting 4th street...i don't think a 3! would eliminate anyone...the hero bet, was called, then raised, a there was a cold caller...a 3! figures to get called, capped, and called in two places...and hero only has a bdsd although his cards are live and he can represent a flush draw---but 3!ing will swell the pot and probably remove fold equity of a represented flush on 5th ... after 3!ing and the likely capping i believe to get folds from bluffing a flush hero probably needs four hearts on board...its a low limit loose game with most hands going to showdown i would think

Last edited by Gap23Razor; 11-09-2009 at 02:30 AM.
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