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02-18-2009 , 09:18 PM
Razz ($0.25/$0.50), Ante $0.05, Bring-In $0.10 (converter)

Seat 1: $8.10
Seat 5: $13.10
Hero: $16.70
Seat 7: $12.55
Seat 8: $16.40

3rd Street - (1.00 SB)

Seat 1: xx xx 6___folds
Seat 5: xx xx 2___calls___calls___calls
Hero: 7 4 A___raises___raises
Seat 7: xx xx 7___brings-in___raises___calls
Seat 8: xx xx 4___raises___calls___calls

4th Street - (17.00 SB)

Seat 5: xx xx 2 K___folds
Hero: 7 4 A 6___bets
Seat 7: xx xx 7 4___calls
Seat 8: xx xx 4 7___calls

5th Street - (10.00 BB)

Hero: 7 4 A 6 K___calls
Seat 7: xx xx 7 4 J___calls
Seat 8: xx xx 4 7 6___bets

6th Street - (13.00 BB)

Hero: 7 4 A 6 K 6___checks___calls
Seat 7: xx xx 7 4 J 2___bets
Seat 8: xx xx 4 7 6 T___checks___calls

River - (16.00 BB)

Hero: 7 4 A 6 K 6 7___checks___folds
Seat 7: xx xx 7 4 J 2 xx___bets
Seat 8: xx xx 4 7 6 T xx___checks___calls

Total pot: (18.00 BB)


Hows this?
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02-18-2009 , 10:35 PM
I don't do anything different.
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02-18-2009 , 10:44 PM
Yeah looks fine
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02-18-2009 , 11:35 PM
One thing you have to get used to... Playing a hand perfectly and losing. Happens a lot to me lately...
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02-19-2009 , 08:32 AM
i was wondering about my play on 3rd, 4th and 6th especially but ok thanks
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02-19-2009 , 03:43 PM
Just out of curiosity, what's the likelihood the villain has a worse draw? If he's showing the 746 and hasn't paired, what hand is he most likely to have? My concern is that you hit your 76 low and its not good enough, so I want to know what cards you're looking for based on the estimate of what the villain probably has? And the 742 guy's hand, he's probably got a real smooth 7 draw right?

I kind of feel like even if you make your hand you can only call on the river?
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02-19-2009 , 04:17 PM
Everyone likes pumping this hand on 3rd? Man, I guess I have to loosen up a bit.
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02-19-2009 , 05:03 PM
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Originally Posted by PocketFrog
i was wondering about my play on 3rd, 4th and 6th especially but ok thanks
third is standard. fourth is interesting and can be a bet, c/c or c/r in different metagame spots. sixth would be close in a smaller pot given the cards out but you can't fold getting a billion to one.
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02-19-2009 , 05:23 PM
Wow, I really disagree with 3rd being standard here. Spew imo.
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02-19-2009 , 05:50 PM
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Originally Posted by RichGangi
Wow, I really disagree with 3rd being standard here. Spew imo.
no it's really really standard sry
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02-19-2009 , 06:21 PM
Fold 3rd, oh wait, wrong thread
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02-19-2009 , 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by RichGangi
Everyone likes pumping this hand on 3rd? Man, I guess I have to loosen up a bit.
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Originally Posted by RichGangi
Wow, I really disagree with 3rd being standard here. Spew imo.
Sorry, 3 big strikes against your opinion on this one. To figure out why, you might want to start by looking up how often you'll be dealt a better hand in this game.
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02-19-2009 , 07:07 PM
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Originally Posted by adanthar
third is standard. fourth is interesting and can be a bet, c/c or c/r in different metagame spots. sixth would be close in a smaller pot given the cards out but you can't fold getting a billion to one.
Could someone explain which situations would have to occur for each of these plays to be optimal? Or what type of opponent for e.g.
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02-19-2009 , 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by SGspecial
To figure out why, you might want to start by looking up how often you'll be dealt a better hand in this game.
It should also be pointed out that with the dead cards lying as they do, Hero's 7 has better showdown equity than many of opponents' possible 6s or 5s.
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02-20-2009 , 01:46 PM
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Originally Posted by jbrennen
It should also be pointed out that with the dead cards lying as they do, Hero's 7 has better showdown equity than many of opponents' possible 6s or 5s.
It should indeed, but I thought that might only confuse the mighty Casey even more.
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02-21-2009 , 12:46 AM
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Originally Posted by RichGangi
Wow, I really disagree with 3rd being standard here. Spew imo.
Well, why is it "standard"is the question. I hate jamming 3rd in Razz just to jam - it makes no sense - but this is a really nice hand relative to the other hands. Also, once you start catching at this limit, they often all just fold 4th - wham. So, when you know you are far ahead in Razz, then you want to get some money in on 3rd. A lot of the time, you either don't know, have no pair cards, whatever.

Try this link to the magazine for my article on Hand rating, then look at SG's in the same issue.
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02-21-2009 , 12:47 AM
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Originally Posted by jbrennen
It should also be pointed out that with the dead cards lying as they do, Hero's 7 has better showdown equity than many of opponents' possible 6s or 5s.
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02-21-2009 , 03:19 AM
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Originally Posted by RichGangi
Wow, I really disagree with 3rd being standard here. Spew imo.
Here, look at this: http://www.propokertools.com/simulat...&h4=(6-A7)&h5=

And I might be giving them too much credit, but that's fine for the purpose.
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02-21-2009 , 11:59 AM
Good stuff Joe, thanks.
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02-21-2009 , 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by RichGangi
Good stuff Joe, thanks.
Glad I could help.

BTW, that's sorta the 'tip' of it, 74A here, if you mess around w/the sim, you'll see how quickly things change when you have 75A, and awesome life is w/72A.
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02-21-2009 , 05:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Joe Tall
Here, look at this: http://www.propokertools.com/simulat...&h4=(6-A7)&h5=

And I might be giving them too much credit, but that's fine for the purpose.
Without any reads on the opponents from the OP, we have to guess at their possible ranges and I think Joe has given them probably the tightest ranges you could expect at this limit (tho some seat 8's would not open UTG with an 8 in the hole). Of course, there's no reason to believe seat 5 has even a 3-card 8 and very little chance the bring-in will wake up with a hand to reraise with after OP jams it. By the time OP caps we can expect the ranges to be more in line with Joe's sim (tho I'm curious why you feel seat 7 must have an A in the hole), but by then raising or flatting is a small detail.

The point is that regardless of how you slice it, neither raise can be considered spew.
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02-21-2009 , 07:26 PM
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Originally Posted by SGspecial
Without any reads on the opponents from the OP, we have to guess at their possible ranges and I think Joe has given them probably the tightest ranges you could expect at this limit (tho some seat 8's would not open UTG with an 8 in the hole). Of course, there's no reason to believe seat 5 has even a 3-card 8 and very little chance the bring-in will wake up with a hand to reraise with after OP jams it. By the time OP caps we can expect the ranges to be more in line with Joe's sim (tho I'm curious why you feel seat 7 must have an A in the hole), but by then raising or flatting is a small detail.
Agree 101%, imo.

He doesnt, I just had to give him a little mustard for coming out of the bring so strong. It might be more like this: http://www.propokertools.com/simulat...h4=(5-4-7)&h5=

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The point is that regardless of how you slice it, neither raise can be considered spew.
Yep, the first raise is not even close to spew, imo. http://www.propokertools.com/simulat...h3=A74&h4=&h5=

our 4-door here also, ldo.
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02-23-2009 , 09:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Joe Tall
Agree 101%, imo.
TY sir, that's a lot of percent!
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He doesnt, I just had to give him a little mustard for coming out of the bring so strong.
This is also a very good point. Some (not all) villains will place an inordinate amount of value on having an A, and if the bring-in is one of that bunch then I would definitely suspect him of having one in the hole. So be on the look out for villains who love A holes
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