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20 40 razz hand should i raise 7th or just call 20 40 razz hand should i raise 7th or just call

09-29-2009 , 10:10 PM
ull Tilt Poker $20/$40 Limit Razz $3 Ante - 4 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

3rd Street: (0.6 SB)
Seat 4: xx xx J____Seat 4 brings in for $6____Seat 4 calls
Seat 5: xx xx 7____Seat 5 folds
Hero: 3 4 5___Hero completes
Seat 8: xx xx 3____Seat 8 calls

4th Street: (3.6 SB) (3 players)
Seat 4: xx xx J A____Seat 4 bets____Seat 4 3-bets
Hero: 3 4 5 5___Hero raises___Hero calls
Seat 8: xx xx 3 J____Seat 8 calls____Seat 8 calls

5th Street: (6.3 BB) (3 players)
Seat 4: xx xx J A J____Seat 4 calls____Seat 4 calls
Hero: 3 4 5 5 A___Hero raises
Seat 8: xx xx 3 J 6____Seat 8 bets____Seat 8 calls

6th Street: (12.3 BB) (3 players)
Seat 4: xx xx J A J 3____Seat 4 checks____Seat 4 calls
Hero: 3 4 5 5 A 4___Hero bets
Seat 8: xx xx 3 J 6 K____Seat 8 checks____Seat 8 calls

7th Street: (15.3 BB) (3 players)
Seat 4: xx xx J A J 3 xx____Seat 4 bets
Hero: 3 4 5 5 A 4 6___Hero calls
Seat 8: xx xx 3 J 6 K xx____Seat 8 checks____Seat 8 folds

Spoiler:
Final Pot: 17.3 BB
Seat 4 shows 5d 4s Js Ah Jh 3d 2c (5,4,3,2,A)
Hero mucks 3s 4h 5s 5h As 4c 6d
Seat 4 wins 17.25 BB
(Rake: $2.00)

ok the results are under the spoiler how should i have played this hand

Last edited by RAZZ PRO A2345; 09-29-2009 at 10:26 PM.
20 40 razz hand should i raise 7th or just call Quote
09-29-2009 , 11:33 PM
I'm not checking the spoiler so hopefully I don't make a fool of myself. I don't think about razz at this sort of level, but I have to think this type of bet on the end is either a monster or nothing. He's probably not betting 8's or 7's here right? I feel like that sort of hand just checks and calls, to avoid getting valuetowned. I could be completely wrong, but if I had that sort of hand in this spot that's what I'd do. If it's a bluff, it's a bold one, given the pot size, and the fact it's three handed. I feel a little dirty just calling with 6s, but I think given how polarized his hand range is in my mind, plus the possibility that you can get a mediocre hand in seat 8 like an 8 or 9 to call for one bet but probably not 2, I'd probably just call
20 40 razz hand should i raise 7th or just call Quote
09-29-2009 , 11:47 PM
Your hand is pretty face up on 7th so it's hard to imagine villian ever leading out into both of you with worse than a 6, so for that reason alone I can't find a reason to raise 7th unless you have some good reads that villian is spewy or likes to value bet thin.
20 40 razz hand should i raise 7th or just call Quote
09-30-2009 , 12:02 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Parallax
Your hand is pretty face up on 7th so it's hard to imagine villian ever leading out into both of you with worse than a 6, so for that reason alone I can't find a reason to raise 7th unless you have some good reads that villian is spewy or likes to value bet thin.
villian is obv some what spewy based on how he played the hand
20 40 razz hand should i raise 7th or just call Quote
09-30-2009 , 12:27 AM
lol raise
20 40 razz hand should i raise 7th or just call Quote
09-30-2009 , 12:54 AM
raise/fold

not joking
20 40 razz hand should i raise 7th or just call Quote
09-30-2009 , 12:56 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by adanthar
raise/fold

not joking
hmmmmmmm
20 40 razz hand should i raise 7th or just call Quote
09-30-2009 , 08:11 AM
I stand by 'raise you nit'.

As few outs as Seat 4 has to beat us I don't really understand why he would lead out if he in fact does have a rough 6 beat. You show so much aggression on every street how Seat 4 thinks you would check behind is beyond me. If I am seat 4 I would definitely c/r 7th with Seat 8 likely to call your single bet into this monster pot. I'm no FR player but I think only Seat 8 played 7th street correctly (assuming he had J low).

Also, how can you be so aggressive and flat 6 low in a monster pot against a drawing hand with so many babies dead.

Or maybe I'm bitter that I'd have lost 2 more BB's.
20 40 razz hand should i raise 7th or just call Quote
09-30-2009 , 12:31 PM
heads up I would raise, but three handed I would flat and try to get an over call from a 7 or 8 from seat 8.
20 40 razz hand should i raise 7th or just call Quote
09-30-2009 , 04:20 PM
With such a strong, live board I'd go for an overcall because the raise isn't going to earn any more (lucky pierre folds and seat 4 flats) and a three-bet means we lose.
20 40 razz hand should i raise 7th or just call Quote
09-30-2009 , 04:26 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by aba20
heads up I would raise, but three handed I would flat and try to get an over call from a 7 or 8 from seat 8.
+1. This kind of play is thin if seat 8 is drawing smooth, because often he'll have to catch exactly a 7 or 8 to pay you off. In this spot it looks like he didn't start that smooth in the hole to begin with and thus has more outs to hit a payoff hand.
20 40 razz hand should i raise 7th or just call Quote
09-30-2009 , 05:35 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by adanthar
raise/fold

not joking
does any1 think this is a legit play i would 100% never do this but what do ik
20 40 razz hand should i raise 7th or just call Quote
09-30-2009 , 05:39 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by RAZZ PRO A2345
does any1 think this is a legit play i would 100% never do this but what do ik
You'd never raise/fold?

If you do this, you get value from 7's or 8's he may bet out with, but he can't raise with anything you're better than unless he's an awful player. I'm not sure if I take this line with this hand, but it's definitely a play that has it's uses.
20 40 razz hand should i raise 7th or just call Quote
09-30-2009 , 05:44 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hi?
You'd never raise/fold?

If you do this, you get value from 7's or 8's he may bet out with, but he can't raise with anything you're better than unless he's an awful player. I'm not sure if I take this line with this hand, but it's definitely a play that has it's uses.
i mean the pot is like 900 at that point for a 40 call obv if he reraises at that point i think im def beat but i just cant fold there maybe if its sg or fgt but based on who it was dont think im ever folding why i just called
20 40 razz hand should i raise 7th or just call Quote
09-30-2009 , 05:56 PM
Raise. GTO is prob going to be raise/fold, but I'll never be able to make that laydown. What would be way more interesting is if you bricked and it was checked to you, would you bluff?
20 40 razz hand should i raise 7th or just call Quote
09-30-2009 , 06:07 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sp00n
Raise. GTO is prob going to be raise/fold, but I'll never be able to make that laydown. What would be way more interesting is if you bricked and it was checked to you, would you bluff?
if i hit a fh i would check just b/c u c how he played the hand 5th hes not folding a jack if i bet and there was another person in pot
20 40 razz hand should i raise 7th or just call Quote
09-30-2009 , 06:56 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by RAZZ PRO A2345
i mean the pot is like 900 at that point for a 40 call obv if he reraises at that point i think im def beat but i just cant fold there maybe if its sg or fgt but based on who it was dont think im ever folding why i just called
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sp00n
Raise. GTO is prob going to be raise/fold, but I'll never be able to make that laydown.
Full Tilt Poker FTOPS Event #19 Limit Razz Tournament - t15000/t30000 Limit + t2500 - 5 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

Seat 1: t384974 M = 11.00
Hero (): t491809 M = 14.05
Seat 5: t451115 M = 12.89
Seat 6: t545734 M = 15.59
Seat 8: t54368 M = 1.55

3rd Street: (0.833 SB)
Seat 1: xx xx 9____Seat 1 brings in for $5000____Seat 1 folds
Hero: 5 6 A___Hero completes___Hero calls___Hero calls
Seat 5: xx xx A____Seat 5 raises____Seat 5 caps!
Seat 6: xx xx 8____Seat 6 folds
Seat 8: xx xx 7____Seat 8 3-bets____Seat 8 calls all in

4th Street: (12.625 SB) (3 players - 1 is all in)
Hero: 5 6 A 9___Hero bets
Seat 5: xx xx A T____Seat 5 calls
Seat 8: xx xx 7 J

5th Street: (7.312 BB) (3 players - 1 is all in)
Hero: 5 6 A 9 3___Hero bets
Seat 5: xx xx A T 4____Seat 5 calls
Seat 8: xx xx 7 J K

6th Street: (9.312 BB) (3 players - 1 is all in)
Hero: 5 6 A 9 3 K___Hero checks
Seat 5: xx xx A T 4 3____Seat 5 checks
Seat 8: xx xx 7 J K 7

7th Street: (9.312 BB) (3 players - 1 is all in)
Hero: 5 6 A 9 3 K 2___Hero raises___Hero folds
Seat 5: xx xx A T 4 3 xx____Seat 5 bets____Seat 5 3-bets
Seat 8: xx xx 7 J K 7 xx

Final Pot: 13.312 BB
Seat 5 shows 5 5 A T 4 3 2 (5,4,3,2,A)
Seat 8 mucks Q 4 7 J K 7 3
Seat 5 wins 5.770 BB
20 40 razz hand should i raise 7th or just call Quote
09-30-2009 , 07:12 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by adanthar
Full Tilt Poker FTOPS Event #19 Limit Razz Tournament - t15000/t30000 Limit + t2500 - 5 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

Seat 1: t384974 M = 11.00
Hero (): t491809 M = 14.05
Seat 5: t451115 M = 12.89
Seat 6: t545734 M = 15.59
Seat 8: t54368 M = 1.55

3rd Street: (0.833 SB)
Seat 1: xx xx 9____Seat 1 brings in for $5000____Seat 1 folds
Hero: 5 6 A___Hero completes___Hero calls___Hero calls
Seat 5: xx xx A____Seat 5 raises____Seat 5 caps!
Seat 6: xx xx 8____Seat 6 folds
Seat 8: xx xx 7____Seat 8 3-bets____Seat 8 calls all in

4th Street: (12.625 SB) (3 players - 1 is all in)
Hero: 5 6 A 9___Hero bets
Seat 5: xx xx A T____Seat 5 calls
Seat 8: xx xx 7 J

5th Street: (7.312 BB) (3 players - 1 is all in)
Hero: 5 6 A 9 3___Hero bets
Seat 5: xx xx A T 4____Seat 5 calls
Seat 8: xx xx 7 J K

6th Street: (9.312 BB) (3 players - 1 is all in)
Hero: 5 6 A 9 3 K___Hero checks
Seat 5: xx xx A T 4 3____Seat 5 checks
Seat 8: xx xx 7 J K 7

7th Street: (9.312 BB) (3 players - 1 is all in)
Hero: 5 6 A 9 3 K 2___Hero raises___Hero folds
Seat 5: xx xx A T 4 3 xx____Seat 5 bets____Seat 5 3-bets
Seat 8: xx xx 7 J K 7 xx

Final Pot: 13.312 BB
Seat 5 shows 5 5 A T 4 3 2 (5,4,3,2,A)
Seat 8 mucks Q 4 7 J K 7 3
Seat 5 wins 5.770 BB
i just dont c point in raising if ur goign to fold why not just call when u have a chance to win the pot unlike folding and if u raise fold ur wasting another bet and hae no chance of winning pot
20 40 razz hand should i raise 7th or just call Quote
09-30-2009 , 07:14 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by adanthar
Full Tilt Poker FTOPS Event #19 Limit Razz Tournament - t15000/t30000 Limit + t2500 - 5 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

Seat 1: t384974 M = 11.00
Hero (): t491809 M = 14.05
Seat 5: t451115 M = 12.89
Seat 6: t545734 M = 15.59
Seat 8: t54368 M = 1.55

3rd Street: (0.833 SB)
Seat 1: xx xx 9____Seat 1 brings in for $5000____Seat 1 folds
Hero: 5 6 A___Hero completes___Hero calls___Hero calls
Seat 5: xx xx A____Seat 5 raises____Seat 5 caps!
Seat 6: xx xx 8____Seat 6 folds
Seat 8: xx xx 7____Seat 8 3-bets____Seat 8 calls all in

4th Street: (12.625 SB) (3 players - 1 is all in)
Hero: 5 6 A 9___Hero bets
Seat 5: xx xx A T____Seat 5 calls
Seat 8: xx xx 7 J

5th Street: (7.312 BB) (3 players - 1 is all in)
Hero: 5 6 A 9 3___Hero bets
Seat 5: xx xx A T 4____Seat 5 calls
Seat 8: xx xx 7 J K

6th Street: (9.312 BB) (3 players - 1 is all in)
Hero: 5 6 A 9 3 K___Hero checks
Seat 5: xx xx A T 4 3____Seat 5 checks
Seat 8: xx xx 7 J K 7

7th Street: (9.312 BB) (3 players - 1 is all in)
Hero: 5 6 A 9 3 K 2___Hero raises___Hero folds
Seat 5: xx xx A T 4 3 xx____Seat 5 bets____Seat 5 3-bets
Seat 8: xx xx 7 J K 7 xx

Final Pot: 13.312 BB
Seat 5 shows 5 5 A T 4 3 2 (5,4,3,2,A)
Seat 8 mucks Q 4 7 J K 7 3
Seat 5 wins 5.770 BB
Worked out I guess, but a 653 in this spot is wayyyyy different than a 654. Your hand still has a lot of s/d value and 1/whatever the pot is, villain will show up w/ a 654, 743 kind of hand.
20 40 razz hand should i raise 7th or just call Quote
09-30-2009 , 07:17 PM
adanthar ik u know wut ur doing and i respect ur play but sg what u think on this 1 is raise fold a poss play agaisnt a spewwy vilian
20 40 razz hand should i raise 7th or just call Quote
09-30-2009 , 07:18 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by SleeveOfWizard
Worked out I guess, but a 653 in this spot is wayyyyy different than a 654. Your hand still has a lot of s/d value and 1/whatever the pot is, villain will show up w/ a 654, 743 kind of hand.
i think his fold on 7th in this hand is just really bad
20 40 razz hand should i raise 7th or just call Quote
09-30-2009 , 07:30 PM
villain was dutch boyd and 6th from him was a dumb slowplay 100% of the time, I just wanted to make sure he had exactly a wheel and not some other version of the near nuts (mission accomplished, he never 3 bets with worse vs my board)

the parenthesis is why you can r/f a lot here (well, you can, I can't now that I've posted it)
20 40 razz hand should i raise 7th or just call Quote
09-30-2009 , 07:33 PM
my villian was soesboy do u fold to him in my hand
20 40 razz hand should i raise 7th or just call Quote
09-30-2009 , 07:37 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by RAZZ PRO A2345
my villian was soesboy do u fold to him in my hand
oh god, never.
20 40 razz hand should i raise 7th or just call Quote
09-30-2009 , 07:53 PM
wait villain is soesboy? meh 2 more bets go in sry
20 40 razz hand should i raise 7th or just call Quote

      
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