Without seeing the actual player demographic data that Davey has access too - everyone is shooting in the dark.

My theory is the low bankroll and serious grinder NJ players have gone online and possibly some of the younger PA (border crossing) crowd as well.

Curious as to what you think are the advantages of 9 vs 10-handed.

Samo, it just feels too crowded and uneven with 10 players. To me, fwiw.

Lol - 10 feels uneven. Let's get 9 or 11 players per table - that'll feel more even.

This just go back to what I said in the first place, they don't put enough effort into attracting Rec Players into the room. Online poker didn't just effect the Sands it effect all casino within the area, and that's why Harrahs' & Parx all rev up their promotional event, time rake, etc...

Also about online poker, there is a bill been introduce right now in PA to legalize online gaming too. When this happen expect the Sands to turn into Hollywood in Grantville, 1 table of 2/5 going and 4 table of 1/2.

Wouldn't that be ironic? Online gambling killing a Sands poker room. :what:

Why would nine handed tables help draw in players? If you look on bravo there is a lot of hot seat and high hand promos coming up that should help draw in rec players. Online poker definitely affected player counts. We all complain about stuff but we should offer helpful suggestions to get rec players back in. I know if we do within reason they will listen.

One good thing to say about the Sands, the past couple of times I've been there at least a few of the dealers have actually said something to players using their phones in the middle of a hand.

Hopefully this trend continues.

O.K. Here's some Ideas

1. How about this for the upcoming DSE @ Sands. Please start running satellite like right now to feed the DSE. I think that a good tournament series is where it's 90% rec player versus 10% pro. The last two DS Main Event were both pros heavy and taken down by pros. During the DSE #1 I asked some of the "fish" at the table if they were going to play in the DSE. Pretty much everyone at the table said no, because they feel it has too many pros and their chance of winning is 0, fish are peoples too, and people are not stupid.

2. Please don't not run the same top #40 player qualify this time. This only favors the regs that play at your casino and doesn't bring in the recreational players. The whole point about tournament series is to create buzz about your casino, that an average guys can get in on a satellite and win a main event for some life changing money. Make it into a spectacle event where the public would love, and the public love an underdog, the cinderella story.

3. Please run 3 different type of bounty tournament:
Mini-Bounty $100 Black chip when you knock some one out.
Midsize-Bounty $250 when you knock some one out.
Mega-Bounty $500 when you knock another player out.

*Please run this on days where peoples don't have to take off from work. Also run more satellites.

Does anyone have the June promotions schedule?

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Davey

Some interesting facts I came across on pa gaming websites going back to cockpits findings. IMO due mostly to internet poker, sands is down 365k in jan-April this year vs last. However same timeframe Parx is down 441k and Harrahs Chester a whopping 537k. Sands is down the least among the big three in this area. If internet poker is legalized in pa all three will be hammered much worse. These promos running often is a step in the right direction at sands to keep and add on to the player base.

we need to wait for another quarter since we had a very bad winter with a lot of dead days at sands.

From some of the internet players I have spoken with, those internet games are not the best anyway.

Also I think percentage loss would be more telling than dollars lost.

How many runners does the $200 11am on Saturday usually get?

If its weather related, the whole casino will be down in that same time period.

IMO, your IMO is a huge stretch.

IMOs are like butts. Everyone has one.

PA Sands changed the website.. so I can't get any information regarding the poker table status and what games are running..

Besides bravo, where do I go to get the information??

BTW, for all who is lamenting about decreasing pool of recreational players, Look into the rakes..it is totally ridiculous..

5max, 1BBJ, 1toke = 7 for one pot... I just came back from Aria.. and the max with toke is 5...

Change that, and you'll see more people..

Wow $2 per won hand cheaper! BTW, that assumes all pots are above $40 its only $1 cheaper for pots under $40.

How does that discount work out when you factor airfare, hotel cost, transportation, etc. etc. to LV?

there is no where else to go except Bravo. I'm also still waiting for the website to come back, if ever. I liked it better than Bravo because it updates a lot quicker, and it's also one bookmark in my phone to open up the tables instead of going through 3 steps with Bravo then scrolling all the way down to the tables.

We get it midas. Some rec players don't care about the rake and hell, some don't even know there is a rake. That doesn't mean other players (including some recreational ones) don't factor rake into their decision to play, or how often to play. At some point they add it up and realize how much is going down the hole. Whether it changes anything for them is another story.

Rake-wise, all PA casinos are effectively the same, so they need to do other things to differentiate themselves and attract players (and yes, dropping the rake is one possibility that can work).

Didn't Revel try reduced rake to get people into its new poker room? The room failed but when they gave away all the promo $$ prior to closing the room was packed. Go figure.

Sure the room was packed. They depleted the jackpot fund without taking the additional drop so everyone was on a freeroll. I'll scratch off 10000 lottery tickets if i don't have to pay for them.

This will be my last post in here on the topic so as not to hijack Sands thread with more rake topics. Suffice to say there is not one magic bullet that will miraculously increase player count. Rake/promotions/environment/game variety/size of player pool/etc/etc/etc all play a part. They all matter to varying degrees in varying locales. Sometimes places find the right mix, but even that won't last forever. The room that stops evolving is the one that's in trouble.

[QUOTE=PASANDSMAN;43251029]You do know that the regular day of the week the 10/25 game goes was changed to Tuesday on account of free valet parking at the time. Just because your rich doesn't mean your not gonna be frugal, it is usually the opposite.

The game was not changed from Wed to Tue bc of free valet. We took a vote and decided that tue worked better for everyones schedule. The BBJ drop was also voted on and it was unanimously decided to remove it. And I would hardly say that the players are rich. With the exception of two or three players, most players are not properly bankrolled for the game in the long run.