Gobbo was referencing that starting chip stacks in the tournies should be proportional to the buy-in. It makes the effective value of the chips the same across all tournaments.


Yea, it was completely ******ed that the other poster didnt alert you guys immediately. I hope you contact him and see if you can get get his table number from that day and see if you guys got anything on tape.

Lots of action, games are terrible.

Edit: I should probably add that they're terrible compared to non-tournament time. I'm sure any good online player will still find them to be lollivepoker.

the 5/10 NLHE games are action packed and spewy as hell

they play very deep, but I felt comfortable with a 2k stack there

5k in chips from a single player could easily go unnoticed but significantly affects a person's EV. It'd be impossible to tell on your part if someone does this too because as you said, chip races throw off the numbers. Figuring out that someone in a field of several hundred cheated after the fact does nothing to dissuade them from doing it and in this case it seems it'd be pretty easy to make it pointless to do by just making buyins proportional.

Also, Dan, the tone of that post comes off really hostile or condescending so I just wanna say I'm not trying to say it like that. I do think it's a rather large issue that the only real argument against it is that you want people to have lots of chips in all the tournaments that you guys run, which is a huge marketing thing of course but I think since you have only twice as many chips in a tournament with over 10x the buyin you're allowing cheaters to take thousands of dollars in equity away from people.

Changing to a proportional structure is not a solution that's necessarily better than the problem. Sure, it might make the chip equity equal but it's not going to stop people from cheating. It might make it mathematically incorrect for them to do so, but that won't stop them and it's no consolation to me if I'm playing in a $3k event against someone who snuck in a $5k chip from the $300 tourney.

You seem to be singling out the Venetian for a problem that can and probably does occur everywhere (including the proportional-structured WSOP), when they're doing everything in their power to ensure that cheating doesn't happen. Life ain't perfect though and neither are poker tourneys, so you're going to have to assume some risk here.

Just got back from Vegas. Played mostly at The V, in my opinion, the best room anywhere. The staff was friendly and MORE than accommodating. The one floor lady, who I believe has reddish or brown hair, was very helpful getting me a voucher for Asian Noodle on Thursday night. Such a beautiful and comfortable room. Dont know why anyone would play elsewhere.

The series is also a Deep Stack Extravaganza. If you make the $340 a deep stack, then the $2100 and $5000 events would be chasm-halfway-to-China stacks that take 12 days to finish.

They could order different chips for the biggest events, but that's a pretty expensive solution to a problem that's not yet known to exist.

You don't have to start at 50/100. WSOP main starts at 75/150 (I think) because the starting stack is 30k. You can always adjust the starting stacks, blinds and blind progression to make the tournament last as long as you want it to. Your argument is moot.

I'm not arguing any of this, but the bottom line is if you make it so that the cheaters don't gain anything whatsoever by cheating, they won't take the risk of cheating anymore. If they take out a 5k from a $340 and add it to a 5k right now they're gaining literally thousands of dollars in EV. If the stacks were proportional to the buyin they would gain $0 and have a TON of risk of getting caught.

You stop the gain, you stop the cheating.

EDIT: You could so easily do this:

1k and under buyins get the first chip set, everything is proportional. 300's start with 6k in chips and 25/25 blinds, 1k's start with 20k in chips and 50/100 blinds or even 25/50 blinds if they want. Anything over 1k has another chip set. I really don't see how this could be much of a problem to implement at all.

They could do this, yes, but it still all seems like a solution in search of a problem.

Are there any dates pencilled in for the next DSE series ?

I think it started on October 30th last year.

Borgata does it. But I guess not at the $1k point. But it can be done and one casino (at least) is doing it.

Dcarp or others,
How many entries has the 7pm been getting? How much is the buy in? And do you have the blind structure for this tourney?

thanks,

Tom

I don't know how manythey are getting ... but the other day someone said they were getting 200+ (I have no idea how accurate that is).

Buy in is $120. structure is at http://www.venetian.com/uploadedFile...k/Daily120.pdf

spent most of last week at the plo cash tables at the V. there were periods of absolutely mouth watering action followed by some nittyness.....but the action times more than made up for it.

i think i broke my personal longest session record at 40 hours. i played the noon DSE on Wednesday, busted about 2am (44th or so of 750), just 10 minutes from the chip bag up, then jumped right into the must move 2/5 plo game. when i got to the main game, there was about $40k on the table in a $1500 max game. i played there til 5am friday morning (when the game broke).

i just needed to run better in the big pots. lost a $7k-ish pot to Q775 no suit who called $650 before the flop and flopped a monster (hahaaha, if you call a T64cc flop a monster in plo.......oh yeah, i flopped top 2 and a higher straight draw with an 8 blocker.....ugh -- i owe you one Butch, wherever you are. bink 3 on the turn).

I am coming into town EARLY on Thursday (6-24) and was wondering if the 8/16 LHE runs all the time or it is like the 10/20 at Mirage used to be and starts late afternoon.

Any feedback would be appreciated.

EKG

The 7pm tournament has been getting 200+.

The $8/16 game goes all night several days a week (I would say at least 4-5) so, if it's not going in the morning the day you get here, it's bad luck. On days when it's not going all night, it gets going pretty quickly, usually by 11am, if I had to guess.

dcarp

Thanks dcarp!

Does the game have a lot of local regulars or is there a good mix?

EKG

I guess that's a no

From what I've noticed, they don't release the schedule until about 2 months beforehand, but that they are always around the same dates each year. So I would expect that the next DSE will start late Oct/early Nov, but that schedule to not be released for at least another 2 months.

There were two guys today who had been playing Chinese Poker ($10/point, $40/scoop) on table 41 for about 16 hrs straight. Looked like a really fun game.

It was 4 handed on table 43 at 10AM today. They told me it had been the mixed game overnight but at some point the game was breaking down and someone suggested Chinese Poker. They kept saying they could play this game all day and I think they were set on proving it.

The mix was something like 2-7TD, badugi, O8, and 7cs8.

Every mix game either starts as Chinese or ends as Chinese.