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Originally Posted by Abbaddabba
People who say they don’t have poker because it isn’t profitable way miss the mark. The people running these things just have no idea what they’re doing. They think tables just fill naturally hence why they had almost all their tables $100/hand+, with very few seats filled for their grand opening. They only had about 1/5 tables open and less than half had players sitting.
This isn’t centre strip Vegas or even Niagara Falls - it’s Pickering. Only when they’re booking enormous stars in their concert halls will there be enough demand to fill this space with anything other than penny slot players. A poker room is actually one of the best draws to get degen gamblers to stop by when there are no concerts in town (and there won’t be for a while due to covid), and the venue is massive - they could easily fit one in that would generate $150/h in rake or session fees.
Truthfully neither of us have access to Great Canadian's books, so we really don't have much insight into whether much of what you've said is true.
What we can say with certainty though, is that we're in this situation because of the Ontario government's shiit handling of the situation. If they insist on poker being part of the license, it will be offered. If they tender a poker only contract, it will be bid upon. Playground is very profitable running poker only, and they do it in Quebec, the highest overheard & most bureaucratic jurisdiction in Canada. Admittedly on a native reserve, but still, I imagine the Quebec gov't get a piece. California has dozens of mainly poker card rooms scattered throughout the state, and they have the highest minimum wage in North America. LA has the Commerce Casino, a pure poker casino that runs literally hundreds of tables when busy. So I do tend to think that poker most likely is profitable, it's really more about GCG not merely wanting to be profitable, it's about them trying to loot and pillage us as quickly and efficiently as they can.
Fwiw, the reviews (aside from some shill reviews from local politicians, real estate people, business interests etc) are scathing. People are not taking the $100 min tables and tightest slots in the world thing well. Hopefully that trend continues are they're forced to re-evaluate their level of greed.
I found this review amusing, a $25 burger and fries lol...that's a $34 burger and fries after tax & tip.
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Food ...this was the biggest disappointment of all!! Service was slow took over 1/2hr to receive our food, food was not even completely cooked, when brought to servers attention 1 of the food managers handled our complaint very professional when we received our bill we questioned the total as their menu is misinformation...a burger &fry is $16 ..add cheese,bacon,onions,mushroom+$3( did not say each item) so we assumed it was just one price ....no $3 each item so in total a burger with cheese bacon and onions with a handful of fries is actually $25...total RIP off...when mentioning it to waitress #2 food manager accused us of being disrespectful and was rude to us. Never have I been treated with such disrespect from management.
The most ironic thing in this whole situation is that the Ontario gov't, when they were in the tendering process for new Ontario casinos, specifically mentioned poker as a needed game to keep casinos relevant.
https://about.olg.ca/wp-content/uplo...review2012.pdf
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Demographic shifts
About 88 percent of OLG land-based gaming revenue is
from slot machines, which have limited appeal to players
under 45. These players prefer table games like black
jack and poker. Demand for slot machine gaming is not
expected to grow and will plateau in the coming years.
Shiit changes I guess when the dollars start flowing.
Stupid OLG. Stupid Great Canadian.
Last edited by Buggle; 08-01-2021 at 03:48 AM.
