Indeed. Stan seemed to be PO'ed the other day when a Showboat dealer mentioned that some of the Bogata regs might be there for the BBJ.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...postcount=1785

I wonder if there's a connection?

And I agree, whoever the Showboat dealer was that posted over in the Borgata thread, it probably was not the smartest thing. Best thing to do there is just admit the error and move on. We don't need a Borgata v. Showboat turf war. The casinos are losing revenues hand over fist, they don't need to lose more customers over something silly.

I really hope there is not a connection. Stan has been nothing short of classy.

Unlike other moderators on 2+2 who are volunteers I actually work for 2+2 and set the policy for corporate representation on the forums, I am actually giving you the official response, your hearing it directly from the horses mouth this time. If you disagree you are welcome to send a PM to Mat Sklansky but I can assure you that Mat and I are on the same page on this matter, we regularly consult with one another about this policy but I don't mind at all if you would like to consult with him. I understand and respect that you do not agree however we have the best interest in the long term value of the forums at mind, its the best policy in the long run.

Dogfish Drunk - this has nothing to do with the Borgata, Stan did not make us aware of the problems in this thread, in fact I havent spoken to Stan in a few months. It was discovered accidentally after we had to crack down in the Charleston WV thread earlier today.

Umm, what? A secret??

(nevermind, asked & answered)

Yes, please apologize for the fact that a thread contains meaningful content relevant to any discussion we have about the room provided by people who actually know what they are talking about. What a terrible thing to have happened.

I am assuming that the "promotion" the dealers were banned for is the constant updates on the BBJ. It was my understanding from the Books and Publications forum (which, if I'm not mistaken, you also Mod) that authors and publishers are allowed to answer questions about their books, but not begin discussion about those books. In that same vain, are room employees not allowed to answer specific requests for info about their room? Cause we've been asking for updates on the jackpot many times per day for the past few weeks. I myself have asked multiple times.

For the record, a Mod changed the title of this thread after weeks of Showboat employees posting in it. If anything, back when this occurred, the "promotion" of the room was much more active than it has been lately.

Without the direct input and responsiveness of the dealers in this thread, I am quite confident that our experiences playing at Showboat would be much worse than they currently are.

We are lucky to have them here.

TT, I am certain I speak for the vast majority of posters in this thread when I say how much we value the input of the casino employees in this thread.

Can you please suggest to me, other than having 25 people flood Mat's PM box (which I am sure he would not enjoy ), what might we do to get permission from 2+2 to have SB employees participate actively in this thread?

Thanks

Sorry mate, we cannot change a policy that affects all users site wide to accommodate the needs of one thread. The rules are fair and applied across the entire site including in the books forum, we allow authors to answer user questions about the content content but authors cannot post things like book release dates, prices, or tables of contents. These are all topics that regular users are free to discuss of course, they are only off limits to authors. For more details you can read the recently updated sticky in the books forum which was created to help us crack down on authors who were breaking the rules here - http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/33/books-publications/self-promotion-policy-ebooks-507819/.

Don't get me wrong, you are not falling on deaf ears, I do hear your complaint but we have to think about the good of the entire forum in the long run, the needs of 2+2's advertisers who pay a premium for the right to promote their products, and the many others who have been banned for the exact same reason - it wouldn't be fair to them if we selectively applied the rules.

well that sucks.

don't see how a dealer in a card room is like an author selling his own book.

i, like many here, play at the SB room, and the dealers provide a great insight to what's happening there.

bad application of the policy. is Harrahs supposed to pay for ad time?

With this in mind, what posts may an employee make in a thread like this without repercussion? Anything at all besides "Hey Wubbie, great to see you yesterday!"

One of the best things about this thread is that when we made complaints, we knew someone was actually bringing it to management. It would really suck for that to end.

Other than that, for such things as BBJ updates, dates for special tournaments (which I KNOW I've seen in threads for other casinos), other promotions, can the patrons of the room post this info as "hearsay"?

Just want to add my 2 cents that having the dealers post in this thread is what made it most useful. I know they were taking direct action to address posters' concerns based on discussion in this thread.

I'm not sure what promotion they were doing, but I don't see how it's any different than Stan posting what games are running in the Borgata thread several times a day. I appreciate that he does that, too. It's good information. I hope there's not a similar crackdown there, but it should be fair across the board. If it's just because Stan got "approval" in advance, is that all the Showboat employees would need to do?

is the bbj still on?

wow im really upset to see this happening. im with everyone else in saying that what stan does in the borgata thread is way worse than this. (i actually like reading whats going on there as well) sometimes he makes 3 straight posts in a row about how many tables are running there.

this thread has been going on a long time and these dealers have done nothing but help the patrons with their problems and suggestions. theyve even helped a bunch of us meet/recognize each other when we play and ive even heard them pimp 2p2 to other people! talk about free advertisement! i really hope you reconsider this situation.

wat?

is today 4/1/10 already???

joel & NJ banned.... what, for life or just 30 days?

say sorry and they can both come back? or just joel?

IMO i believe that more harm than good will occure from this type of random lash out banning.

its the offical thread for the property.. i know this must be easy to see how strange this comes off as.

TT you should really attempt to fix this for us. Ban cant be the only outcome for all the good SB info that they shared with the 2+2 community in this thread and their other posts spread out over the forums.

wow

tag

No one likes Joel anyway, but the other guys are great. Seriously.

To the SB, there is obviously a way to get your information out on this forum, and so, I would contact the ptbs and do it the way that Stan at the Borgata does it.

Very simple.

I don't know how to continue from here really, I guess I will have a PM convo with TT...thanks for all the input guys.

Mike you've been in this thread forever and there's never been a problem. Just keep posting like you have been and only give info that could be considered 'promotion' when asked.

I don't have any revolutionary info to add, but I want to share my voice in defense of those banned.

I don't recall seeing anything inappropriate "promotional" from those posters, but perhaps certain things are interpreted differently by the mods. My personal experience is that they provided helpful information, and generous invitations to 2p2 members to voice their feedback so that it could be relayed to Showboat management.

I never interpreted anything posted here as an advertisement or a solicitation. I felt the forum was used as a great service from the SB employees to the 2p2 members to relay information in both directions, and I hope this can be resolved so that this service can be restored.

- WK

I agree completely. I even reviewed recent postings and found it hard to believe they were banned.

I certainly don't think exceptions should be made but I thin this case shows the 'line' that they supposedly crossed may be too restrictive and should be adjusted across the board.

Like I said earlier, I'm just amazed that this thread flew under the radar of the mods and that's why I'm so surprised Mike and Joel were banned. This is the most replied to current thread in B&M and the third most viewed thread. I know the mods can't read everything that is posted, but I am really shocked that people would get banned for this type of infraction in a thread that has been going on for over a year and a half.

I can understand limiting promotional posts, but I certainly hope that Joel and Mike can appeal their ban as they have information that is useful to the poker community at large. Limit what they can post about the Showboat if they aren't "official" representatives, but allow them to post here to share their thoughts as dealers/players of poker in general.

I understand rules are rules but I think there should be some leniency in how this situation is dealt with since it has been going on and overlooked for a very long time. It's not like they just created accounts and spammed the forums promoting a rake back site.

All that said- I'll be at the Showboat this weekend. Got a wedding in Cape May on Saturday morning and staying in AC. I'm hoping to get some time in on Friday and Sunday.

With my luck, that means the BBJ will hit Thursday night. Good luck to whoever gets it!

I agree with the previous posters that the bannings are unwarranted. I could understand it if either poster was going into other threads and spamming the board with Showboat information. But this is the Showboat thread. If people are reading this thread, it is because they either already play at the SB or are considering playing there in the future. The reason this thread has as many replies as it does is because players can communicate issues concerning the Showboat with several of the room's dealers.

I understand the B&M forum is held to a higher standard than NVG, but these bannings really seem unfair compared to the stuff that gets posted over in NVG every single day.

in all the weirdnes that surrounds us can we still find away to get a quick BBJ update?

with out calling in

It was ~$333,900 yesterday. Should be ~$340,000 today.

It was 340K and change when I left this morning....
and I gotta figure out how to get back there ASAP
that room is waaaay to busy, it's inevitable...
and I would just like to thank the dealers, who have been run ragged over the last week or so, for keeping their smiling faces, and collective good demeanor throughout their 13,14, or 15 hour shifts...

I have a feeling we are going to see $400K before this thing gets hit.

I have a feeling it'll be 400k by the end of the week...
Hope I can make it over there...