I think that beating any 1/2 game for over $100/hr is doing a little better than "running average".

I appreciate the responses, and although I'm not well versed in bankroll requirements or winrate estimations for live, i'm no live noob. I was here in 2007 when the NL games were rolled out. I just played poker then, I am a poker player now. Bring on the family pots!!!

I think he means that he had average cards, not that he played them average.

Of course, the quality of one's hand doesn't mean as much as when you get them (compared to the cards of the other players on the same hand). If you have Royal Straight Flush and next best hand is a low pair, you are not likely to win much. If you have a A high flush and your opponent has a K high flush, you are likely to win a bundle, even if you are a Donk.

You know, re this discussion of Derby Lane versus the Hard Rock, I will add my 2 cents.

First, the tournament structure at Derby is INFINITELY better imo than at THR. Of course, that's not hard when THR gives you 3k and blinds are going up every 20 mins, skipped levels, etc. In my experience, for same buy in levels, Derby offers greater play. Also, I think the local tournament players realize this and so they get larger fields, ergo better payouts for deep runs.

Second, I like to play $1-3. As others have posted, the $1-3 game at THR can be pretty tough. Not always, and not the full table, but in my experience it is not a target rich environment.

Last weekend, I played $1-3 at Derby. They had just opened a new table, I had a c-note on me and bought in because it was a nitfest of older conservative-looking people and 1 or 2 who seemed very new. Occasionally, someone waiting to play $2-5 would sit down, look uber bored, and donkey off a few hundred because he seemed to think that $1-3 players are destined to have weaker hands than he, but I was okay with it.

So I build that $100 to about $320 over a few hours and get moved to the gamblers table, sandwiched between two stacks of $1200+. Cashed out there a few hours later for $1340 (obv brag).

Over the total 6-7 hours I played I saw two, maybe three decent players. The rest were old folks slow playing Aces and calling off heir stacks on a paired board, and people preflop shoving their last $70 with 2-4 off with five players behind.

The extra juice in rake and promotion jackpot $ was easily worth it for at least that session and I'm tempted to give them more business because of it.

But, that's just my opinion and experience. Others may have had their own experiences.

Oh, there's madness there. I think it was nuts at first when the limits went up, then it appeared to calm down for a bit, now it seems to be getting even more wild.

Last weekend, I saw this from one player (3 in the hand):

Limp for 5
Call 100 more (raise and a reraise before it got back to him)
Call 250 more (another raise)
Check-call all-in on flop for 200 more.

It hurt my head trying to figure out what he had.

While a bit unusual at those numbers, it's not unheard of. On any average night, there are 6.2 people in the place whom you can bluff. There are 7.3 people who will fold 2 pair - everyone else is calling regardless of what the board is or what you bet.

So generally, it's just: Make a hand, get paid off.

Leave the FPS at home, tighten up, and pray you don't get coolered too many times. You need some semblance of a hand, and you need it to hold up. The skill is in knowing when to get away and in knowing what not to play in the first place.

If you are running bad or getting unlucky, you're toast. It's very, very hard to play your way out of it. At that point, your job is just to limit the damage.

(This is at least on the weekends when I've been there - maybe others can speak to during the week if it's different.)

I was @THR over the holidays and played the 2/5 NL. Started with $600 BI, and worked my way up to almost $2K. Then I got killed for $800 on one hand where I had A4 and opponent had AK. Comm cards were A4KJA. His boat beat my boat, but I still left the table about $550 ahead (mostly from the guy who took my $800).

Came back the next day and there were 13 people waiting for 2/5 NL, so got on a 1/3 NL table with $300 BI. There were two average looking women at the table, and a single guy who was hitting on them. He starting acting crazy trying to impress them with his poker skills and I cleaned his clock. Made $350 profit in only 2.5 hours (not bad for a 1/3 table with not a lot of chips on the table).

This was almost as good a table as when last May I played with a few pimps and/or drug dealers at 5 AM on a Monday morning on 5/10 NL with $100 BI (before they increased the BI amouts). They were throwing money around like crazy (when they weren't falling asleep) and I made $1200 profit that day. There was one guy in particular who didn't seem to want to leave until he gave away all his chips, almost like a death wish of some kind. Weird, but profitable.

does anyone have a link to a thread on 2p2 for derby lane or lucky's? i can't find them. thanks.

Anyone here for the free $240 tourney? 2500 dealer add on instead of 1000.

Nice. How many runners?

165, pays 11k for 1st and 16 spots.

Blinds 400-800 I have 11k and all fold to me in SB with A6 spades, I make it 2500, bb calls, flop 3s 4s 5h, I bet 3200, he ships and its only 5300 to call. I call and he has 22.
kind of weird, both of my overs make him a straight and he has 2 of my straight outs.
So its 50/50 but I hit Ace on river and he makes straight. oh well. Try again next week.

http://www.tampadogs.com/

http://www.derbylanepoker.com/

There is none, but there is a general Florida thread here: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/27...thread-776630/

Oh I misread, I just saw link didnt see to a thread.

thanks to both of you

Ron u were on my table. Didnt know that was u. I was in the 9 seat. I got the pleasure of busting like 18th for the bubble. Awesome

Was there a lot of solid 2/4 limit grinders in it?

ok, you were only there for a little bit before I busted.
You were there when seat 6 was accusing the dealer of burning 4 cards when he lost that pot?
If so did he burn 4 cards because I really didnt see what happened?

What time was it down to the bubble?

im pretty sure the dealer burnt twice before the flop. like he burnt one, got readdy to peel the flop. got interupted, and then burnt again then peeled flop. from what i saw.

but in typical hard rock fashion he had to be a little bitch about it and talk back to the players rather than just acknowledge he may have made a mistake.

I busted around 2:30 AM.

Bogus.

Also, I see this thing with the burning twice when dealer interrupted.

Or at least I do. You kind of just get a sense of it, like "Hey, didn't he already pull one..." and then its too late to do anything about it and you aren't sure so you let it go.

The dealer kept saying I showed you that there was 3 burn cards over and over when the guy kept yelling at him.
If I was paying attention I would have said something right away when I saw too many burn cards.
Im not sure how it all went down but I think J9neverlose or someone next to him mentioned it after then hand was over.

I mean if the cards on the board were wrong because of too many burns and it was brought up before the hand was over then Im thinking supervisor would refund all chips for that hand. Unless it was easily corrected, But Ive never really seen it happen except in the movie Lucky You, lol.

Hey, I lurk on here quite a bit, but it looks like I'm finally mentioned in the Hard Rock thread. I was seat 6 when the dealer burned too many cards. He's usually in a good mood, but the past couple sessions he's been a weirdo.

I went on to chop at the final table, so I guess he's the only one who went on tilt after ******o bad beating my Kings.

Later on at the final table, I **** you not that same dealer dealt me Kings again, and once again I was all in preflop against pocket 8's. That time the Kings held up.

I play the 2/5, 5/10, and 5/10/20 cash games just about every day so come say hi. I'm the young guy wearing a grey or black beanie.

Welcome to the forum. So the whole final table chopped 10 way?

Thanks. No we kept having chopping disputes, so we didn't chop until it was 6handed. That was fine with me :P

I'll be there in a few hours. Probably do an 8 or 10 hour grind session...18 if I'm lucky

Congrats on binking the tourney, Perm. What time did you get done with it? If J9 busted 18th @ 2:30, it must have been 4am before you were done cashing and wrapped up.